Camera Raw/Lightroom Classic: X100V Camera Profile White Balance Shift

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Strange behavior of camera profiles for X100V.
When applying camera profiles (like Camera Provia/Standard) to X100V RAW, white balance (temperature/tint) automatically shift.
This is specific behavior of X100V raw, the other Fujifilm Cameras don't reproduce this.

X-T3 and X-T30 use Camera Profiles v2, but X100V uses old original Camera Profiles v1.


It's inconvenient when dealing with multiple X-Series cameras with common preset.

Camera: X100V
Macbook Pro 16
LrC 9.3
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Andrew Rodney

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AFAIK, this isn't anything new in terms of differing REPORTED CCT values from differing profiles. The profiles are WB agnostic; you are expected to set that if desired but, the values themselves that are shown are calculated from the original EXIF based on the profile(s). 
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Daisuke Yanagiya

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The other Fuji cameras don't have this unusual behavior. Only X100V has this issue. It's extremely inconvenient when usingpreset that includes film simulation camera profiles.
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It's not WB per se, again the profile is agnostic but it could be the profile doesn't reflect the sensor like the one Adobe had. Anyway how about making your own CUSTOM profile for the illumination?
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Again, the other Fuji X-Trans 4 cameras don't behave like this. Every X-Trans 4 camera including X100V has exact same image sensor and exact same image processor. That's the reason we could have used same unified preset to edit multiple Fuji cameras.
Capture 1 can do it. Why LrC can't?

Actually,  there are/were lots of problems specifically in X100V raw, for example missing classic negative profile in the past, even now the default sharpness 40 is too softer than other sibling cameras.

Is there any logical reason LrC treat X100V RAW different from the other Fuji cameras?
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This WB shift issue reproduce when the LrC's WB is set "as shot" regardless of in-camera WB settings when the photo was taken.
The WB don't shift when you specify Temperature/Tint value or select WB items from pull down list (like daylight) in LrC.

Confirmed standard Lr (not classic) don't reproduce this WB shift issue.
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Then it's not a profile issue.
Be useful to have an raw from the camera, ideally of a ColorChecker to test.
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Sorry, I don't understand your logic at all. It's obviously X100V specific profile issue.
Is there any camera that LrC behave like this?
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If it is a profile issue why doesn't it manifest in both products and why not use a better (custom) profile?

” Confirmed standard Lr (not classic) don't reproduce this WB shift issue. ”
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Why? I'm reporting this issue and asking questions because I don't know why.

Both LrC and Lr offer "v2" camera profiles for X-T3, v1 is not available for X-T3
Both LrC and Lr offer "v1" camera profiles for X100V, v2 is not available for X100V

#1. X-T3 / LrC / v2 Camera Profile : No white balance shift
#2. X-T3 /  Lr   / v2 Camera Profile : No white balance shift
#3. X100V / LrC / v1 Camera Profile : White balance shift occurs
#4. X100V /  Lr   / v1 Camera Profile : No white balance shift

Only #3 has this issue. I hope this clarify your misunderstanding.
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The Camera Raw team has reviewed this issue and determined that there is a slight difference in WB AS Shot between Adobe raw and CM profiles. We will correct this in an upcoming release. 

Thank you for the report. 
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So it's a specific Adobe supplied profile?
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Hello Rikk
Thanks for your response, then I'll wait for the upcoming release.