Will there be an LR 7 stand alone program? Not everyone wants/needs all the programs in the CC.
PLEASE keep making stand alone programs for those of us who are hobbyists and enjoy the results we get from LR. I do not use/nor want PS or other editing programs and CC would be a waste of money for me. Again, please continue stand alone programs.
Will there be at least an LR 7?
PLEASE keep making stand alone programs for those of us who are hobbyists and enjoy the results we get from LR. I do not use/nor want PS or other editing programs and CC would be a waste of money for me. Again, please continue stand alone programs.
Will there be at least an LR 7?
Posted 2 years ago
Johan Elzenga, Champion
I would HOPE that customer service is not a thing of the past, tho i fear it is. If companies don't want to listen to consumers, then they will lose customers. Forcing people to purchase more than they actually want will do the same. I, like millions of others, will find another program instead of succumbing to big business forcing me to buy things i don't want/need.
u are right
Johan Elzenga, Champion
My point is: Why don't you wait until the next version of Lightroom comes out (so you'll know whether or not it is available as perpetual license) before complaining about Adobe not listening to consumers?
(Edited)
I wasn't complaining about Adobe. I made a general statement about customer service of today. I did NOT mention Adobe.
Victoria Bampton - Lightroom Queen, Champion
It's an understandable plea, and this is the right spot for it.
Adobe hasn't announced either way yet, and no one who knows the answer is at liberty to share that information until there's an official announcement I'm afraid.
Adobe hasn't announced either way yet, and no one who knows the answer is at liberty to share that information until there's an official announcement I'm afraid.
Calm, pleasant and informative as always, Victoria. Thank you!
My opinion is that they will continue to offer the standalone product for exactly the reason Laura states...some (many) photographers want the power of Lr but don't want or need Ps. Losing those customers (some who would eventually want or need Ps) would be silly.
My opinion is that they will continue to offer the standalone product for exactly the reason Laura states...some (many) photographers want the power of Lr but don't want or need Ps. Losing those customers (some who would eventually want or need Ps) would be silly.
Victoria, thanks for the confirmation that this is the right place to post this.
Steve, i hope you are right. I'd love to continue using stand alone LR!
Steve, i hope you are right. I'd love to continue using stand alone LR!
I have been using Lightroom since version 1 am currently on 6. I am an OAP but before I retired worked in IT and can fully understand Adobe going subscription in the commercial sphere, it makes total sense. However as a hobbyist it is of no interest to me I do want perpetual licences though can understand that running them alongside subscriptions would be a nightmare for Adobe to 'police'.
The problem though for Adobe extends beyond Lightroom 7 it includes people like me who shoot both stills and video, Elements doesn't cover it. So without access to Premier and After Effects I have turned elsewhere and the problem with that is that once you break the "Adobe Habit", On1 Raw, Affinity Photo, Resolve and even Blender become your new tool set.
The problem though for Adobe extends beyond Lightroom 7 it includes people like me who shoot both stills and video, Elements doesn't cover it. So without access to Premier and After Effects I have turned elsewhere and the problem with that is that once you break the "Adobe Habit", On1 Raw, Affinity Photo, Resolve and even Blender become your new tool set.
I agree with the OP - the standalone version is fine for hobbyists like me who don't need CC. However, I don't expect Adobe to announce whether there will be a LR7 ahead of time; the only plea I would make is that a Beta or Release Candidate is issued ahead of the final release so that bugs can be identified, as was the case with earlier versions. This would avoid the 'car crash' that version 6 has been because it was clearly released before it was ready. It was fundamentally dishonest to charge money for a product that was clearly not ready for final release.
I think a lot of hobbyists would stick w/ LR if it's released as a stand alone. I know i would. I'm still on 5.7 so, i did not have to deal w/ the "car crash" you mentioned.
We now know the answer: NO. Lightroom is moving to a subscription-only model, like Photoshop and the other Adobe products. There will be a cloud-based subscription Lightroom ("Lightroom CC") and a non-cloud-based subscription Lightroom ("Lightroom Classic CC"), but there will no longer be new versions of stand-alone Lightroom that you can buy once without an ongoing subscription fee.
Basically, henceforth, you can rent Lightroom, but you can't buy it. (You can still buy Lightroom 6, but it won't be developed or maintained. At some point in the future, some features are going to stop working or are going to stop being compatible with new operating systems or external services like Blurb or Google Maps.)
This is a terrible shame.
Adobe, you've let us down by no longer continuing to develop a stand-alone, non-subscription version of Lightroom.
Basically, henceforth, you can rent Lightroom, but you can't buy it. (You can still buy Lightroom 6, but it won't be developed or maintained. At some point in the future, some features are going to stop working or are going to stop being compatible with new operating systems or external services like Blurb or Google Maps.)
This is a terrible shame.
Adobe, you've let us down by no longer continuing to develop a stand-alone, non-subscription version of Lightroom.
(Edited)
I am so sad about this. I teach Lightroom classes at a community college and just told my students tonight that I don't know what I'll be doing in the future for a replacement. Does the On1 software have something like the Library module in Lightroom so that I can find and keep track of my images?
On1 Library module, yes but implemented differently, the best thing to do is download the 30 free trial and play with it and look up their YouTube channel for tutorials.
On1 PhotoRaw 2018 has similar Library and Develop modules (latter looks more flexible with more Photoshop tools whilst retaining the non destructive editing benefit) but no print, map, book or web modules (yet?).
It's not a good sub for what I want as it stands as it won't do my uploads to Flickr from within the programme.
It's not a good sub for what I want as it stands as it won't do my uploads to Flickr from within the programme.
Check out item 3 on this list: https://www.on1.com/blog/10-things-lightroom-users-need-to-know-about-on1-photo-raw/
One thing I find frustrating about ON1 is their web site offers next to no information unless you sign up / download a trial. Since I am not ready for that yet I have no idea what information they have on their web site and have been learning about the program via other site.
Capture 1 Pro does have a catalogue (and a lighter weight solution called sessions that some people prefer). Capture 1 also has lots of information on their web site about how the program works and its features. Plus an active user forum for discussing the program: https://forum.phaseone.com/En/viewforum.php?f=24
On top of that subscription and perpetual licenses are both first class citizens in their store so right there much better than Adobe's policy ever was.
One thing I find frustrating about ON1 is their web site offers next to no information unless you sign up / download a trial. Since I am not ready for that yet I have no idea what information they have on their web site and have been learning about the program via other site.
Capture 1 Pro does have a catalogue (and a lighter weight solution called sessions that some people prefer). Capture 1 also has lots of information on their web site about how the program works and its features. Plus an active user forum for discussing the program: https://forum.phaseone.com/En/viewforum.php?f=24
On top of that subscription and perpetual licenses are both first class citizens in their store so right there much better than Adobe's policy ever was.
Just a quick FYI regarding Capture 1 catalogs and sessions. Sessions are designed for "events" where it will keep all parts of the event together in a folder so it is easy to find what you need and keep track like weddings. Catalogs are more designed for keeping together multiple related events like Floral Photos, Nature Photos, etc. They both work quite well and can even be used interchangeably.
It's just a shameful stategy. You kids of today doesn't even seem to understand. It's great to pay a monthly fee for a bunch of software you didn't ask for instead. You ger regular updates and all that. I'm quite proffessional user of PS, but use the CS4 version and it's a PS that handles all the things I have need for. The same goes for Illustrator CS4. Both those CS4 versions i fully capable of doing most of the tasks you need. Don't even know about additional functions. Some of them are problably great but with a normal use I don't seem to need them. The CS4 license was paid for more than 10 years ago and will work fine until som drastic OS-change in the future.
I really appreciate LR and am using a 5-licence. Was waiting for a stand-alone LR7, as I heard there was some issues with the 6-version, and that didn't happen. From my point of view it's just a way to go deeper into my wallet than there's an actual need for.
A bit worried installing LR6 as I've read about errors in reading key words (especially with swedish chars) and that the program seems to take up way too much CPU. Don't know about those things an hestitate.
Anyone here with experience? Is LR6 using more CPU than LR5? Is there a risk an installation will corrupt my registered key words and connected references to pictures?
I am a happy user of LR6. I have not experienced the performance problems that some have reported - other than LR6 not being any faster than LR5. I turned off graphics card acceleration early on - that seems to be the flaky thing.
As for key wording my keywords from LR5 work perfectly in LR6. Huge caveat though I use only English chars and no accented or special characters so I cannot speak to any issues LR6 might have with that.
Having said all that - why go to LR6? LR is a dead end to you now that they have abandoned us perpetual license users. Why not just switch to another tool? That is my plan - I'm just not doing it now - which is the beauty of perpetual licensing. I can choose my timetable to change.
As for key wording my keywords from LR5 work perfectly in LR6. Huge caveat though I use only English chars and no accented or special characters so I cannot speak to any issues LR6 might have with that.
Having said all that - why go to LR6? LR is a dead end to you now that they have abandoned us perpetual license users. Why not just switch to another tool? That is my plan - I'm just not doing it now - which is the beauty of perpetual licensing. I can choose my timetable to change.
Thanks Ian. After my LR5 purchase I scanned all my old DIAs and negatives and around 10.000 pics are now tagged in the LR archive. It's a perfect tool to keep track on your images and I did all that work. That's the reason I hoped for a stand-alone LR7 and spared the LR6-version at first. In that one the only thing that would be great to use is the RAW HD function, otherwise I thought of having the last stand-alone installed as long as it works. From that point, if Adobe didn't change their politics and realase new stand-alone versions, I look for another tool.
As far as I know there's no tool at the present market that will adapt the full LR archive as well as settings of indivudual photos. Some archive patch would be possible I guess but probably not a transfer of editing made in LR.
If you download a free trial of On1 RAW you can try doing this migration as outlined in this YouTube video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA61Yi9DQSQ
Looks great John.
So the representation in LR's PlugIn Extras is result of the installation of the trial version or is it a third party solution installed before? In the video he starts from LR CC and I have LR5 at the moment. Guess that works fine as well?
I also undertand it as - if you like to migrate specific edit settings from LR - you will get one RAW copy (if that's the original format) and the a duplicate with the former LR adjustments?
Anyway It's a comfort ON1 exists already. I will wait a while and use my working LR5 (don't know if I will install the LR6 yet) as long as possible. Now I know where to go when it's time. I been around too long to accept programs 'for hire'. My bundle of CS4 programs is still all I need to perform advanced editing. Payed for 10 years ago! :)
I will, among many, many others I'm sure, be cancelling my photography plan as soon as I have time to find a suitable alternative to the Lightroom desktop application. The coffee shop frequenting marketing folk at Adobe have got this so wrong, an enormous number of photographers work in remote areas with limited or no internet access and want to review and edit their images there and then, and certainly won't have the bandwidth, never mind the cost, required to edit multi-megapixel raw images over the internet. Dumb, dumb, dumb!!! They claim the change is from user feedback, but neither I nor, many people I know, who use Lightroom were asked our opinion. A shame and a pain in the ass having to find and learn yet another application after the demise of Aperture.
Let's keep this focused: Erik and others who work in remote areas will be able to do so with LR Classic CC, which is the "offline" version of LR CC. However, users of LR Classic CC will have to pony up $10 a month, every month, to keep the software activated. There's no longer a way to make a one-time purchase of LR (other than buying the no-longer-maintained LR 6, which will find its obsolescence before long). THAT's the problem here.
I want to add my voice in hoping to be able to purchase a stand alone version of Lightroom. I do not want to pay a monthly price to use any software. I had thought that Lightroom would always be available to photographers. I and many others that I know won't be joining the subscription group and will be very sad to lose this incredible software.
I do hope they change their minds but they have declared that there is not going to be a stand alone v7 of LR. I too am going to keep using LR6 for a while but for me it is just until I choose a replacement and the timing for $ is right for me. Just one advantage of having a perpetual license - I get to control when I spend money.
You have to admit they have been pretty passive aggressive towards perpetual license users for some time now - confusing and buried links to upgrade and update programs that likes to install the subscription version for perpetual license users.
You have to admit they have been pretty passive aggressive towards perpetual license users for some time now - confusing and buried links to upgrade and update programs that likes to install the subscription version for perpetual license users.
Just like you I got the stand alone LR6 and intend to use it as long as OS supports it. Then, if Adobe haven't changed their policy by then, I go for the other suppliers of editors. They're getting better and is problably very good when the time comes. You can transfer all your LR libraries already... ...I raised my finger at Adobe early on and I use stand alone CS4 and Photoshop and Illustrator do anything I need. Adobe has done a lot of nice software but like this they're snapping the tail of their own.
Peter Carre
Johan Elzenga, Champion
Darko Gorenc
https://www.flickr.com/photos/147392441@N07/