Lightroom: Why can't I delete single steps in the Develop module, anytime?

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Dear Lightroom users and developers,

1.
When I use the developer module in Lightroom, then I often un-do my LAST STEPS using ctrl-z.
However when I want to un-do some steps a) some days later or b) when I changed the module or the photo,
then I am NOT able to delete the last developing steps in the protocol.

In my opinion ctrl-z un-does the last step in Lightroom overall, and not the last step of the developer module for this specific photo.

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At best I would prefer to be able to delete an ARBITRARY STEP in the protocol, and not to be limited to delete just the last step.

Maybe I misunderstand the Lightroom user interface...

Can anybody give me a hint?

Best regards, WernerJL.
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Rikk Flohr, Champion

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1 Yes the last step in the Active Lightroom session - that is true of all programs. Once you close it your undo is limited to the active session when you reopen.

2. You cannot. You can look at the particular step and move the sliders opposite or create the opposite operation to undo it if you want. Lightroom doesn't do things in the order you do. All that matters to the render process is the final position of each slider, not the number of times you moved it. Lightroom also doesn't apply the changes in the same order you do when it renders so the order in history is even more irrelevant.

With the exception of multiple brush strokes on a single Adjustment Brush application, there is virtually nothing that cannot be undone by adjusting the slider/operation the opposite way.
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Thanks for your answer, Rikk,
however - I missed to stress that - re-positioning all the sliders lets, unfortunately, the history become very long and furthermore it is somewhat unwieldy to pick up each and every slider or adjustment made.

What I would have expected: Focussing a step in the protocol, choosing right-mouse-click, getting a context menua and then choosing an entry like "delete this step" - I cannot find a reason why such a feature would not make sense to Lr-users..

The order of steps in "my" protocol and the order Lightroom applies these steps... is not my concern here.

Kind regards, WernerJL.
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" I cannot find a reason why such a feature would not make sense to Lr-users.. "

I'll illustrate.

Let's say you have a step that say "Exposure +0.33". The current exposure is at -0.33. You delete the "0.33" step, totally ignorant of the fact that you had adjusted exposure a dozen more times later in the history. Now your exposure is "-0.66". What point was there to doing that? Wouldn't it be more intuitive to simply adjust the exposure slider again?

Let me make a suggestion - hide or ignore the "History" panel entirely. It doesn't really serve a useful purpose except in certain, specialty situations. For those used to Photoshop this is especially true since the History panel in PS is quite useful, but works in quite a different way since the order of application in PS actually matters.
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History panel rocks! (I use it all the time). Any love received for consolidating steps etc. would be appreciated by us history-panel junkies ;-).

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" I cannot find a reason why such a feature would not make sense to Lr-users.. "

Dear Lee,
you are right, I could and should ignore the history panel of the protocol and watch only the impact on the photo itselft.

However there is one point:
When I start to compare different history steps, I - as a beginner - get lost in the dozens of small slider-adjustments and un-do's. This is also very cumbersome if I would like to create a virtual copy and to choose within irritating several dozens of steps.
(By the way: I assume this kind of usage is also somehow the motivation for those users preferring "consolidating steps".)

In the meantime I now adjust the sliders while minimizing the number of steps in the history in order to have an overwiew what I really did (much more easier within 10 steps, say, as within 60 steps due to repetitive re-adjustments including un-do's).

So finally I would see a substantial advantage to be able to right-mouse-click a single step in the protocol history and delete it
and I do not see any disadvantage nor contradiction to the Lr-workflow (the order of applicating the steps is not my concern at all).

Kind regards, WernerJL.
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+.02: each brush stroke is stored independently, and individual brushstrokes could easily be deleted. The part that's missing is the UI for it. Also, somebody could conceivably make a plugin for it... (I'm not aware of any, @yet). If you want to test this theory, just load up an xmp file, find the brush strokes, delete one, then re-read metadata.
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I would actually like an option to turn a step in the history off instead of deleting it. That will make it much easier to see what impact that step has had on the final photo.

It feels quite cumbersome to make new steps to counter the old step just to see what impact that step had on the final photo. And as Rob Cole wrote, with brush strokes you can't make a counterstep.
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I perfectly agree with WernerJL. I feel very uncomfortable wit not being able to eliminate a single arbitrary step in the history panel.
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Since lightroom is non-destructive, there is no reason why the history can't be completely managed. It should behave like photoshop layers-- re-arrange order, enable or disable steps, and fade the influence.