Lightroom CC/Lightroom mobile: Where / what structure are my original stored in the cloud , and backing up folders & albums to disk ..

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How are my original raw images stored and structured in the Cloud sync service? Coming from Capture one Pro (session way of working ) -which is a folder and equivalent of catalogue for each shoot - I’m having real trouble working out how the images are organised and how to backup and organise manually on my studio desktop computer running Lightroom CC .If I create a folder and gallery in LIghtroom Mobile, say called Beach Shoot 1 and I import photos from my photos on iPad (to that which have already been imported into iPad via SD card ) Where are they stored , once synced to the cloud ?Logged into adobe cloud , I can see them , all of my images stored in cloud all lumped together . And the galleries (but I understand albums / galleries are just references / collections to the original files. Now on desktop Lightroom CC when I download it puts them in weird dated folders within Lightroom’s main folder .Basically I want to be able to organise and download the raws from the cloud in Lightroom CC , on a per job ‘ gallery basis . And have all the adjustments & Ratings stored safely in one folder which I name for the job / shoot . -Which I can come back to later if I need to. Then I can back that up to offsite hard drives once job has been finalised images retouched and uploaded to client. And I can delete from the cloud / local Lightroom And when I need to revisit it I can drag that folder on to my machine and re grade images if needed.But I need everything to be the same as I last left the albums/galleries.On capture one Pro it’s simple . 1 Create new job (name it ) which creates a new folder with its subfolders structure . 2. Import images , choose which subfolder to import to (or create sub sub folders if I want to be super organised into shot folders) & how I wish to name them ! - why can’t we rename as we import or even organise in Lightroom Mobile or CC? 3. Export out jpgs whatever required.4. Back up job -which is as simple as copying the job folder over to another hard drive . 5. Delete original job folder from computer . Now if I need to come back to job I just copy the backup one over to my computer and it’s ready to go. I’m loving how the sync works form my iPad to desktop and laptop , when doing location jobs . But this uncontrollable and unphathomable file structure is doing my head in , and not fit for professional work , or even amateurs that shoot a lot and like to backup and organise by trips / occasion etc.
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The whole point of the cloud software is you don't organize and manage manually. They all get lumped together and organized into albums. If you want that much control - as most pros do - then Lightroom Classic is the best tool for you, at least at this point in time. Classic can sync just the jobs you want to the cloud, and down to the mobile apps.
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Thanks, yes I like and get the cloud is the whole point of it! I do love the sync, from mobile to desktop. 

But I need to make physical backups on and off site of my work. Often I'll copy it all to a clients hard drive when job is finished.
If Adobe servers went on fire or crashed , which whilst highly unlikely can't be ruled out. 
I can't turn around to client and say Adobe has lost all of the shoot ! 

Also I don't want to be seeing all my shoots still there / listed 6 months on, and taking up valuable space. Currently I have a folder per job with Capture one Pro, and once final graded images are exported out. I move that job folder to archive drives and delete from my current system drive to free up space.

On Lightroom CC desktop , I have it set to download images to computer. 
Now i see a file structure - attached image. But don't see a way to rename or reorganise they structure. 
The folders I made in LM don't seem to be replicated . 

TBH I hated Lightroom Classic interface, and don't want to have to use that. Lightroom CC is much nicer. - we need curves desperately though! 

Real shame it isn't fully featured yet in terms of organisation and customisability. 
Also I can't see an option in preferences to change or make a new catalogue .. is this possible? 
I also wish we could save & load new catalogues in the Cloud page , that would refresh on the mobile version. 

As I think i need one catalogue for personal work, and then maybe one per job or at least one per client or per 3 months for work. 
As I don't want my clients to see some other work I might do for other companies in my folders/ albums list if they are sitting with me looking over images. 


Here is the file structure on my downloaded / synced images. Now it doesn't seem to keep the Folders name I made in lightroom mobile? 
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> I hated Lightroom Classic interface, and don't want to have to use that. Lightroom CC is much nicer

I'm really pleased you like LRCC! I'm sure Curves will be added before too long. I don't think more extensive pro-level organization will be added too soon though, being brutally honest. Classic can do everything you're asking, and sync to mobile, but I understand that you don't like the UI.

> I move that job folder to archive drives and delete from my current system drive to free up space.

Just moving the files to another drive won't work with LRCC as LRCC manages the files, and removing them from LRCC would lose your edits too. You could export as original format to the "other" drive though, before removing from LRCC, as most of your edits would be stored in the resulting xmp sidecar files.

> I can't see an option in preferences to change or make a new catalogue

No, LR CC doesn't have a catalogs concept. Again, that's a Classic concept. 

> it doesn't seem to keep the Folders name I made in lightroom mobile? 

When LRCC downloads its offline copies, it puts them into dated folders. Folders in LRCC are just a way of grouping albums, and a photo can be in numerous different albums, so that's all virtual.

I'd really love to tell you that LRCC can do everything you want, and perhaps in a few years it might be able to do so, but there might be a few compromises for now.
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Thanks for your great reply Victoria