Lightroom CC: What a mess

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I was one of LR original beta testers. I have been using LR since - all versions. I'm a photography educator. I have taught LR to hundreds of advanced amateur photographers. I know that most of my students will come to me for advice on what to upgrade to. I will not know what to tell them in simple words. You have created a mess, a big mess, bigger that the one you created when you tried to change the importing process. I have the feeling your business is going to pay very dearly for the confusion you have created. I, for one, will actively look for a LR/PS replacement and will advise my students of the outcome of my search.
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> I know that most of my students will come to me for advice on what to upgrade to. I will not know what to tell them in simple words.

This might help Sergio:

https://www.lightroomqueen.com/lightroom-cc-vs-classic-features/ (there's a bunch of other linked posts for additional clarifications on the changes)
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Indeed. Certainly no rush from Adobe to dispel fears that 'Classic' is to be phased out.
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Nice overview, but it really does not help does it. Having to do such massive flowcharts is just a sympton of the mess. Adobe basically created a new program that they intent to replace the old program, but it simply not good enough yet, so they keep the old one, and as a user you have two slightly crappy programs, instead of one awesome. It's is just a classic case of losing focus, and create lot of uncertainty. Should i keep investing time in the old program that a clearly going away, so should I start using the new one that I don't know if it every will be good enough, (Come on, you can't even print!)

It reminds me of the old Apple Aperture days. While I liked the UI a lot better, I stopped using it years before it was discontinued because you could just sense the lack of focus, and I was lucky that did. Now I have that feeling again. There is no reason why Adobe could not have improve Classic and made it sync the originals to the clouds like the new Lightroom CC.
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Nice overview, but it really does not help does it. Having to do such massive flowcharts is just a sympton of the mess. Adobe basically created a new program that they intent to replace the old program, but it simply not good enough yet, so they keep the old one, and as a user you have two slightly crappy programs, instead of one awesome. It's is just a classic case of losing focus, and create lot of uncertainty. Should i keep investing time in the old program that a clearly going away, so should I start using the new one that I don't know if it every will be good enough, (Come on, you can't even print!)

It reminds me of the old Apple Aperture days. While I liked the UI a lot better, I stopped using it years before it was discontinued because you could just sense the lack of focus, and I was lucky that did. Now I have that feeling again. There is no reason why Adobe could not have improve Classic and made it sync the originals to the clouds like the new Lightroom CC.
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Lack of focus indeed!  The "new" CC seems dumbed down and limiting, to say nothing of awkward.   Call it 'something for dummies' and stay away from an excellent product.  I can shoot raw with an iphone, but the process of getting photos from an iphone to lightroom CLASSIC just makes the whole exercise a pain.
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Philip, getting raw from your iPhone to Classic is actually trivially easy. Just log on to the same account and when you shoot raw on the Phone using Lightroom mobile (now called CC) it just syncs the images straight into Lightroom Classic. Just ignore the hype about the new CC. Nothing is new here except that you now have a port of the Lightroom mobile app to desktop OS's and that you can migrate a Classic catalog completely over to CC. If you ignore the latter everything is as it used to be. LR CC is just LR mobile on the desktop.
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To me the main problem with this mess (and yes it is a mess!) is the uncertainty over the future of LR Classic. As a Photography Plan subscriber I've just has an email regarding the changes that states:

 "We know you’ve got a lot invested in the current version of Lightroom you’ve been using. Rest assured that we’ll continue to improve it while we develop the new service"

To me that suggests Adobe will continue to improve Classic only until such time that CC has the same feature set. Then Classic will be ceased leaving CC as the only remaining option. I'm sure that's why Classic was named as such.

I'm getting a bit fed up with Adobe trying to tell me what I want; I know what I want & it's not the 'new' CC or cloud storage of my photos.

As others have commented, maybe time to start looking at alternatives.
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Perhaps - hopefully - you are right. But from everything I heard from Adobe in the past 8 years, I bet on a different scenario. I personally think, that LR Classic will be among us no longer than 3 years from now. At this time LR CC will have more features, but it will definitely be nowhere near LR Classic as we know it. 

And I do not think, that this would be a commercial suicide for Adobe at all. A) We all witnessed when Apple discontinued Aperture just in the blink of an eye and has gone after quite the same customer group as Adobe now does with LR CC. B) Development and maintenance of two quite different applications will eat up a lot of money. From a cost-value-perspective it might be way more efficient to cut one of the applications, even if you lose some customers. C) When looking at the whole portfolio of Adobe, photographers are a very, very small group of their customers. 

It seems to me, that professional and enthusiast photographers are just not making enough money on the long run for companies like Adobe (or Apple).

But time will tell, who's prediction points in the right direction.
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Yeah, none of us can foresee the future. There will come a time when there’s not enough customers left using Classic, so it’s not worth continuing to develop, but that’s driven by customers purchasing decisions. Even if it’s only 3 years, that’s an eternity in the world of technology. That’s plenty of time for other companies to have some wonderful alternatives out in the market, or for Adobe to make the new CC app suitable for Classic customers to use too, so there’s no point worrying too much until that time comes.
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> but that’s driven by customers purchasing decisions.

Not anymore! With a subscription model, users can no longer vote with their wallet. We're locked into this eco-system and Adobe's marketing dept is calling all the shots now. 

With Ps, we've had failed feature after failed feature being released and they have yet to refine or fix any of the more recent disasters. Artboards, Export As, Generator, Select and Mask. All new features, and all buggy and broken. 

Very little is being created for the advanced users these days, since we don't conform to marketing's idea of who the apps are for. The original LR was developed by pro's for pro's and this new CC is only proving that Adobe is interested in dumbing down the environment.

Curve's are too complicated! Take em out!
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> With a subscription model, users can no longer vote with their wallet.

There's other options out there, so users CAN choose to cancel their subscriptions. The options for pros are undeniably limited though, I do agree.
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Adobe knows whether you use Lightroom Classic or Lightroom CC. They also have a very vocal set of people behind the scenes (a few on this thread ;-) ) that directly tell them when they don't like decisions. If Adobe retires Classic prematurely - i.e. before CC has essential features like selective syncing, printing, curves, camera profiles, nested keywording, etc. etc. there will be a very strong pushback and you might even see public platform defections from high profile photographers. Adobe is not stupid and they do listen to their customers. 

That said, there is a major revolution and democratization of photography going on. It is not strange that Adobe wants a product that targets those people that shoot mostly on mobile devices and that want to get more quality out of their shots and that expect their images to be available everywhere just like in their Apple/Google photos apps. These are not people that identify with the old fashioned shoot a DSLR, plug in the card reader, plug in the flash card, and import the images workflow. They want everything to be available everywhere instantly. Lightroom CC really is quite a step up from the Apple and Google equivalents in that the raw support is great although not to par with classic but it is the same underlying engine on iPads, desktops, and phones. I love shooting images with my phone and working them in the Lightroom CC app on my phone or iPad and having the images show up on my desktop in Lightroom Classic. I am ambivalent on Lightroom CC on the desktop but if you are all in on that cloud workflow already and don't have a gigantic Lightroom catalog (I do so Lightroom CC is a terrible fit for me) it makes a lot of sense.

Don't like the marketing decision to name the new app "Lightroom CC" at all as it is causing endless confusion but I also guess that they were in a bind there as they had already named the mobile apps Lightroom too and so to make clear this is the same thing all across platforms they had to name it the same.
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Dear Lightroom Executives,
It would have been so much simpler:
  • LIGHTROOM PRO: the gold standard for desktop-based photo management and editing, now faster and new, innovative features. Will always be available as part of Adobe Creative Cloud.
  • LIGHTROOM CLOUD: a new, future oriented photo management and editing program, designed to take advantage of cloud computing and ready to grow as technology advances. Available as an add-on to Adobe Creative Cloud.
You still have a limited window of time to rectify the mess you have created and explain to your customers what your Lightroom repositioning was all about. All you need is the humility to admit that you have made a mistake. But your time is running out. You may experience a massive exodus.

These are my two pennies worth of advice. My 30+ years of high-stake consumer marketing experience give me the authority to give some friendly advice.
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Enough is enough. I am fed up with Adobe in general and especially with Lightroom. They have stopped listening to photographers. The days of the great Lightroom Beta program (of which I was part) are long gone. My CC Photographer's Plan expires in Sep. 2018. Between now and then, I will continue to use LR Classic, alongside Luminar 2018. Then I will make my choice. Check out Luminar 2018: https://goo.gl/Z3tJG2