Lightroom Classic 8.1: Cropping tool no longer has aspect ratios popping up next to the lock

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I am working with Lightroom Classic CC release 8.1. When using the crop tool I now no longer see the various aspect ratios popping up next to the lock when I start cropping my pictures. As soon as I change the aspect ratios of my pictures all I now see is the word 'custom' or 'original' besides the lock. In previous versions of Lightroom, I could go to the photo and shrink it (change its aspect ratios and you would be able to see the aspect ratios change next to the lock. Does the new version no longer have this feature?
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There should be a upward and downward facing triangle that you have to Click on to select an aspect ratio.






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Hi Bruce,  I observed that the behavior you describe (turning on the aspect ratio crop overlay and then dragging on the crop frame until the aspect label next to the padlock shows the aspect ratio you want)  works as expected in LR 6 but not in LR Classic 8.1, which is consistent with your report.  I've been playing with this a bit more tonight. I noticed that if I drag really (really!) slowly on the crop frame, occasionally an aspect ratio populates for an instant before switching back to Custom. (It's so brief that I can't read the ratio - I can just see it flash away from Custom.) In this other crop post (https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/i_cant_add_certain_custom_crop_ratios_in_ligh...), Adobe reported that in 8.1 the level of imprecision allowed for a ratio to be labeled 4x5, for example, has been tightened up. I suspect it is so tight that your method of dragging (and not being able to zoom in as you drag) doesn't allow you to land on the precise position required. 

If I'm right that these two are connected, then you'll have to do as JSM suggests above to set the ratio you want, which does have the advantage of being precise (and not crazy-making.)

We'll see if Simon Chen or someone else from Adobe can confirm this. (They may be on vacation for the rest of the year - hopefully relaxing!)
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Now I see what this thread is about. I opened LR 5 to test and yes if I get close to a ratio with a crop the Custom label changes to the numeric value, 4x5, whatever.
As Bob stated below I always Set the Ratio if I'm cropping to Print to a certain size. Otherwise If I'm cropping for effect to post to the web or send in an email I don't worry about the ratio.
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I agree JSM.  I apparently found this to be a useless feature before the crop ratio bug or bad design was fixed as I didn't even notice it.  It IS useless now because as Laura pointed out it is probably almost impossible to get the aspect ratio to show up now.  They might as well remove it from the code.
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Laura, I think you hit what is happening. I never even noticed they popped up during the crop action. I guess I can’t imagine trying to crop unless I set the ratio first if I’m looking for a specific ratio . I really appreciate Adobe finally fixing the crop rounding issue..
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Laura is right on the money on the tradeoff. The imprecision could also come in due to integer quantization errors (because the cropped image width and height are always expressed in integer values, so the actual computed aspect ratio varies slightly depending on the numeric rounding. The effect of rounding error is greater when the cropped dimension is smaller. The pendulum of the tradeoff in the latest Lr 8.1 swing more towards being precise.

If you want a specific aspect ratio, lock it during cropping.
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Simon, the higher precision is a greatly appreciated change
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I had never noticed that the aspect ratio populated either, so kudos to Bruce for noticing.  For me personally, precision is a higher priority than preserving the behavior.
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Yes, the new crop precision is GREAT.  Just remove the instant ratio display from the code as it is now useless.
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When you unlock the aspect ratio and resize the crop overlay by dragging one of its handles, the Aspect changes to Custom. As Laura has pointed out, by dragging very slowly you can hit on an aspect ratio that displays some values, but it only displays aspect ratios that are either predefined, such as 5x4 or 6x4/3x2, or one of your own custom aspect ratios. Tightening up the precision makes this more difficult to achieve.

From my point of view, it would be far more useful if the Aspect box continually updated to the actual (unlocked) aspect ratio as you resized the crop overlay. This would be a lot more informative than 'Custom', which is meaningless, or the occasional flash of an already defined aspect ratio.

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вау, надеюсь, что ваши советы тоже будут работать на меня, спасибо
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I think a continuous update of the aspect ratios would be useless as they would be just a bunch of big numbers flashing by.  The number would change with every pixel or two you moved.  If you want to see what different aspect ratios look like just turn the aspect ratio overlay on.  I would be nice if you could add more aspect ratios to the overlay but there seems to be enough to make it useful now.  Adobe just needs to get rid of the continuous aspect ratio display as it has been rendered useless and as far as I am concerned it was useless before.  The new crop ratio precision in a very welcome change.
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I agree that the current situation isn't much use, but disagree that the continuous update of the aspect ratio would also be useless. I'm not proposing a 'bunch of big numbers flashing by'. The aspect ratio is a ratio, so a single number expressed to three or four decimal places would be sufficient, such as 2.3333 for a 7x3 aspect and 7x3 if that is a custom defined value. Then as you drag the crop overlay to resize it, only one simple number changes, occasionally displaying a predefined or custom aspect ratio.

I've alway found it annoying that Adobe doesn't provide this basic information to the user, not even in Photoshop.

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Adobe can make any changes you would like to the "instant" aspect ratio display as long as they keep the new rounding precision.   I never seen that display before as I just look at the photo when cropping.