Photoshop: Ability to update/edit brush presets

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This is a no-brainer that should make its way ASAP into 13.

Provide users with a way of tweaking their brush settings and then SAVING OVER an existing brush preset, rather than having to create a new one.

The brush preset system that has been in place since 5 is a broken user experience. You always create a "throwaway" brush (tip) when you Define Brush Preset, and then you customize its settings and create a New Brush. Then, if you don't like those settings and want to improve them, you are stuck having to create yet another brush preset, and eventually deleting the others.

Come on guys, we need something just a little more polished. It's been over ten years now. Fix some basic stuff before launching into crazy new directions like 3D.

For the most intuitive user experience, the workflow should be revised.

Creating brushes should be a two-step process:
1. create a "brush tip" - these are the sampled pixels only, with no Brush configuration data attached
2. create a "brush" - by selecting a brush tip and then setting your options.

If you then want to edit an existing preset and save over it, why not present us with familiar options like Save and Save As? Put a little "save" icon and a "clone" icon in the Brushes palette. Let us know when we're editing an existing brush preset, and put the title of the brush preset in the palette. Basic basic stuff.
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Ahren Paulson

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Agreed wholeheartedly. Just spent 20 minutes beating my brain against this cumbersome interface.
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Don't forget about that you can also create a Tool Preset, that will store blending modes, color, etc. :D
I'd like also to see some revision about presets.
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I would put the brushes option on the panel where it says "Save Brush Preset." So we can create the spacing etc on the fly and of course I support the cloning idea.

This would be sweet to have with the organization schema so we can do this with the brushes palette rather than a preset organizer in a separate window. ('cause if you get the brush wrong, you have to open the window again.)
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I have been hoping for this to be implemented for years. Corel Painter already has this function and it makes painting much faster!
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i would like to have this option too.
i just searched for it and found out that it doesn't exist?

please adobe! this should be a simple one.
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ahah! +1 for the useless 3D
the presets windows are prehistoric, we can't do anything, can't tidy up anything.

That's something sooooooooooooooooo simple that I can't imagine it is not on a software like Photoshop...I mean.. many years of existence... massively used by professionals.... but it is, yes. Along with many other tiny things MORE important than "not well implemented" 3D and shiny stuff.
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Ok, we already know all that, cause it's the same for years.
But the title of this request says clearly "update/edit" brush presets.

What the point of posting requests if Adobe doesn't try to understand / read them?
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@atharil - that happens all the time. I'm not sure whether Adobe actually takes these things seriously - but I guess the only way to really make sure is to post / promote these requests through your social network and get more comments and votes. For example, this request only has +7 votes, which is silly when you think of it: how many regular Photoshop users (professionals) would vote for this request if they knew it existed? All of them!
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We read and listen to all requests. But we have to prioritize, and not all requests are possible, or even good ideas.
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This one is though, Painter does it already.
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Ahren Paulson

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And so does clip studio paint...
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yes adobe should make Ps easy to use,save time,
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I can't believe the status of this item is "Not Planned"!

It's such a minor thing, with so many possible solutions.

Don't you wish Photoshop were open source? Heck, I'd write the darned patch myself. They keep working on "big picture" marquee features, instead of making our daily work tool more ergonomic and efficient.

I don't know why I keep giving Adobe my monthly CC subscription. They just don't seem to listen to their users.
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No, it would be like changing a Paragraph Style or Character Style definition, which is an extremely common use case. Users understand that changing a preset will likely affect any other function or tool that leverages that preset. If I have an action which uses a preset brush that I created and then I run that action after modifying the preset, I should bloody well hope that the action changes its behaviour as a result.

If you're really concerned about preserving the integrity of some of the "default" actions, then you can "lock" some of the default brushes as well. But user-created brushes should be allowed to be modified.
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But still, again, we can already change the contents of the brush preset ( it's just that it is much harder than what it should be ) so your logical reason is irrelevant.
I'm still waiting for a true reason.
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This has nothing to do with the defaults (not sure where you got that). Again, you really seem to be missing quite a bit of the functionality and details about how presets work in Photoshop.

No, you cannot change a brush preset. You can create a new preset with new settings, but you cannot change a preset after it has been created. Again, that is by design.
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Just want to add to the chorus that this should very much be a feature. It can't possibly be that complicated to code. It's a dumb system and should be improved. I'm amazed that it was brought up 4 years ago and has yet to get any response. I'm also amazed that anyone would defend Adobe not fixing this issue.

AH well.. Off to go create a new brush preset that slightly modifies an existing brush and then deleting the old brush and then going into preset manager so that I can drag and drop the brush where I usually keep it on the grid.

Because obviously who would want to be able to just move the brushes whenever we want? That extra preset manager is so handy!
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I'd take the fix Tom suggestion over a complete overhaul, but it really does need a complete overhaul. It's barely improved from how it worked a decade ago.
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Programs are more than new shiny features. They are about being able to meet the expectations of the end user and make it more efficient to use.

For example, when Photoshop made it so you didn't have to double click a layer, which opened a dialogue box and then click enter to rename it, that feature got a ton of cheers, because it was a routine thing. The fact that Photoshop plans on not making this application more user friendly in this manner where you don't have to go through an extra dialogue box to do similar functions saddens me.

To me, it's the same kind of effect that you guys got when you redid the layers naming process to be just a simple click. Sometimes the UX things get more cheers than the brand new shinies. Sometimes fixing an old bug or giving simple organization, or reducing the amount of clicks i.e. UX gets more cheers than coming up with a new doodad.

Brushes are part of the user's every day function--it's a basic component of Photoshop--it came out with version 1. So why not pay attention to the UX? And why not pay attention to your major competitors who are ahead in that fashion and have done it anyway?

Sometimes improving basic functions makes life easier. Brushes is one of them.
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that's an interesting perspective. However, I can't imagine a scenario where you might be running an action or a script while simultaneously updating the brush preset - in fact, I'm not even sure that the current implementation allows this sort of activity. Maybe in a "droplet" scenario (not sure PS still supports droplets, but anyway I'm reaching here).

Anyway, and you are welcome to differ, but I think that particular technical line of reasoning is a wash. it's much more likely that the underlying architecture of the Presets (or at least the Brushes presets) was simply not built in a way that would allow this kind of modification, and it would be too much work to completely refactor that code. In all likelihood, the developer(s) responsible for the original implementation of Presets is no longer available to work on that component, and it's just not economically viable to ramp up someone else to refactor that section. That may feel like it's a less attractive answer from a marketing and PR perspective, but my guess is that's closer to the truth. Truth is good. Trying to baffle brains with BS, not so good, at least from where I'm sitting.
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It was built a certain way for good reasons, that have not changed.
You've already gotten the truth, even if you don't like the answer.
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Thanks for taking the time to explain that Chris, that's pretty much what I imagined the issue would be. I wonder if using transitional versions of presets under the hood would be a way to do this, but without knowing the code I'm just guessing at high level ways to do this.

I don't think there's much more to say, but I do think that Adobe may be underestimating the value of a smoother workflow, especially given some of the new market competition out there.
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Well, we're constantly trying to improve the workflow (including brushes). But sometimes what we do is more complex than users realize - and we just cannot do things the way they imagine.
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Krita manages to do it....
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Overwrite Saved Presets.

Sometimes I have to change a preset. It would be nice to be able to just overwrite an existing preset. Right now it just says "Preset already exists" with no option to overwrite. And if I create a new preset, i can't change the order, and I need order in my list! : ) Thanks.
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yes please, this is one of the things that forced me to switch to manga studio for most of my work.  whenever i want to make a small tweak to a brush in PS and keep its hotkey, i need to:

1 - Make the change to my brush and create a whole new brush preset
2 - Check the name of the original brush and type it in for the new preset
3 - Delete the old version of the brush so my hotkeyed brush selection action selects the new one properly based on the same name and there being no duplicates, so that way i dont need to re record an action for it
4 - Open brush manager to move the new brush from the end of the brush list (where new ones are put) to where it belongs in my organized list where i use blank presets called "---------------" as separators because i need too many brushes
5 - Play around abit with the new hotkeyed brush and realize it needs more tweaking, do the tweaks, and when its just right i accidently switch tool to momentarily erase or something before making a new preset out of that perfect new brush setting, so the ideal changes are lost because brushes dont remember modifications (there is no option for them to do so, like lock/unlock a brush maybe), changing tool and reselecting brush always resets the changes
6 - repeat


compared to manga studio:
1 - got a nice hotkeyed brush that i want to make changes to
2 - press "unlock tool" (so the changes to the tool automaticaly save)
3 - make changes to brush, draw abit, erase abit, looks good,  hit "lock tool", done
(or duplicate the original to iterate nondestrutively, then unlock the duplicate, make changes to it, this new brush will have the same hotkey as the original, and you can just change it to a new hotkey if want. per brush, no need to make actions to select brushes via hotkeys and re-record those actions if you rename a brush or have duplicate name. each brush gets a new hotkey line in the options for its name.

There is alot more simple workflow speed problems with PS than that compared to manga studio etc, and some simple functions that i find hard to believe that something big as PS cant do yet (for example multi layer freetransform/warp of selected partial area without multistep workarounds), but alot of them can be worked around with clever autohotkey and such, but the brush problem is way too complex to automate, for me anyway
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Just noticed this in the Photoshop CC.2018 October update notes:

Better brush organization
Organize and save your brushes in the order you want. Drag and drop to reorder, create folders and sub-folders, scale the brush stroke preview, toggle new view modes, and save brush presets with opacity, flow, blend mode, and color.

Could it be?
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It's a beautiful thing. Almost verbatim what I suggested 6 years ago (wow, that long?) but even better. Pretty sweet.
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And yet, you still can't edit and update existing brushes in a custom set.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop: Ability to edit existing brushes in a set.

Why can't the user edit brushes already existing in a set? I have a set I've been using for years and wish I could change the brush settings individually without having to recreate the entire set. Am I missing something here? As I understand it, once you've made and pasted a new brush in a set, you can't tweak a settting without creating a new brush, deleting the old one and moving the new one in its place. I'd be glad to be proven wrong and show me how.
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I've just started to use Photoshop and I'm constantly trying to tweak my presets as I learn but instead of tweaking them I have to recreate them and remember all the settings I set in the first place.