Elements Organiser 2018: Unable to sort images manually in albums

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I have made a number of Albums in Organiser 2018. However I can no longer manually sort the images in the albums as I could in Elements 5 and 12. Can you please restore this capability as it makes using the Organiser a lot more difficult for the work I do.
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Michel BRETECHER, Champion

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No change in PSE2018, you can sort as you like if you have first selected 'album order' in the sort menu on top left above the media display.

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PSE 2018 documentation I find says that "Saved Searches are albums that collect media matching specified criteria. ...".  Yet when I name and save a search, no album entry appears.  And when I tried to create an album with the same name as one of my searches, PSE complained.  And if I use a saved search to get a set of photos, I do not see  how I can reorder them (i.e. create an 'album order').  All this seems different from my recollection of PSE8 or maybe PSE12 'smart albums'. (I never used albums much).
I tried searching but either found too little or way too much.
An answer or pointers to appropriate topic threads would be appreciated.
  -cj


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Oh, can my saved searches be found/accessed anywhere else besides the FIND ... by Saved Search?  I am likely to have quite a few saved searches.  If their corresponding 'albums' do not appear in the album pane, then is the list from Find by Saved Searches the only one?  That is really a poor user interface; the searches are not alphabitized; maybe they are in created order.  In any case, not a good tool if there are 'many' searches.
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PSE 2018 documentation I find says that "Saved Searches are albums that collect media matching specified criteria. ...".
That piece of documentation is totally absurd.
From the beginning I have been struggling against the use of the word "Album" by Adobe, in Elements and now in Lightroom CC. Albums are used in so many different meanings that it's extremely important to distinguish between:
- physical photobook
- folder organization
- collections (as albums are called in LR or older Elements versions)
- queries (or saved searches also called 'smart collections in previous versions...)

There is absolutely no connection between 'saved searches' and albums in the current organizer.

Albums are just like playlists: technically sorted lists of  media items identifiers in the database pointing to the real  location in folders. Unlike keyword tags, they can't be saved in the metadata header of jpegs or on the xmp sidecar files. They don't contain duplicates (some web storing services do duplicate), only pointers and they have no connections to folders.
The 'smart albums' word for saved searches or queries is not so bad, it could be 'dynamic albums'.
The 'saved searches' word is ok for me and for most non technical users I believe.

Oh, can my saved searches be found/accessed anywhere else besides the FIND ... by Saved Search?  I am likely to have quite a few saved searches.  If their corresponding 'albums' do not appear in the album pane, then is the list from Find by Saved Searches the only one?

Unfortunately, you are right.


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Thanks!  Am I correct that in some earlier version of PSE there were 'smart albums' which were associated with a selection script (similar to the current saved search script)?  And when you clicked to open the album, the script was run to refresh the contents of the album?  So that if you had added new photos to the catalog that met the criteria, they were automatically picked up and included?  Or was that a dream and I am making it up?  And was the word 'collection' ever used?
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I am pretty sure there has never been such a way to 'refresh' the contents of an album. Yes the word 'collection' was used in the first versions, but 'albums' were already present in PSE6. In the same version, you could create "smart albums' in the albums menu. Smart albums were listed in the same way, the same lists and hierarchies as normal albums, even though they were exactly the same as "saved searches" today. I can see how that way to find and display saved searches in a better hierarchy was more flexible than todays limited selection scheme. On the other hand, the dynamic nature of "smart collections" as different  things from real collections/albums (lists) was not clear, and may explain your belief that the searches updated real collections/albums.

It's a pity that you can't display and organize your "saved searches" today. The sort order is a kind of alphanumeric and non case-sensitive order;  the size of the dialog is much too small and there is no way to create hierarchies.

It looks like that customization ability is a privilege of Lightroom, where users can organize thousands of presets. Hard to convice the deciders to give more power to Elements. However I would suggest that adding a new category to select existing search categories in the new advanced search dialog would be both easy and totally compliant with the new roadmap of Elements:

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Thanks, Michael.  Your description of what was in PSE6 is likely what I am remembering.