Lightroom Classic: Turn off parts of Auto AI

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Can I turn off part of the LR Auto feature in the development module? It constantly misadjusts Highlights. The older one before this AI/Sensei was far better. If there is a way to use that instead of the new one, that would be better.
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peterk727

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Rick Spaulding, Champion

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Hi Peter,

The short answer is no but I would try it on a variety of image types before passing judgement. The vast majority of customers have preferred the new one over the old.

If there is a specific image type that is giving you troubles you could always share that with us. We are always willing to learn from our customer's experience. 

Take care,

Rick
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Just tried it on outdoor images. The primary issue is Indoor images. it turns down the highlights so low the photo looks like an old bad print. You then have to play around with adjustments to get it looking good. The old version did not do this. The majority of customers you asked to test new Auto could not be real photographers, otherwise they would have caught this. 
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Interesting that you found the old Auto Tone better than the new one. Most people found the old one completely useless, because it grossly over-exposed images. The new one is much better in my opinion, and I know it is based on thousands of images from professional photographers. But it is indeed not perfect, and never will because personal taste varies. It would be nice if we could train it to understand our preferences!

What you can do is make a preset that zeroes out certain sliders that you do not want Auto Tone to touch. Then you can apply this preset after you've applied Auto Tone.
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OK, I will try that. Yes, the older one did overexpose in many cases. I for one would not call it useless. The new one seems to have a similar issue with highlights but on the reverse where it dramatically decreases them. As to your comments about the thousands of images, and the old Auto being completely useless, they do not mitigate what I am stating about the new Auto AI.  If the old and "useless" Auto were as bad as you say, why would Adode wait 7 releases before replacing it?

And it's not so much "personal taste" as you note, but accuracy. Auto AI seems to do the opposite of the "useless" Auto, in that it prefers no highlights and little contrast. Makes images look poorly exposed and unrealistic. I would prefer overexposed. Easier to adjust. 
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Do you know that you can Auto-set individual sliders by shift-double clicking? That may help. If you shift-double click the Whites slider, it will set the white point (and usually higher than what Auto Tone does).
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Did not know that one. Thank you. That may make Auto AI usable. Appreciate the comment.
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Is it normal behavior that saturation and vibrance are included in Auto Tone?  I don't want a +15 saturation result when I click auto tone. That isn't the way it used to work.  I mean, saturation and vibrance aren't even in the "tone" section; they are in the "presence" section.  When I think of toning an image, I'm not thinking of adjusting colors with vibrance or saturation.  If people want that, give them a separate auto presence/ auto color button.

I agree that the new auto tone is at least useable (after zeroing out saturation and vibrance), where as before it was laughable.  I thought I must be crazy.  The workaround of creating a preset to zero out the presence section seems decent enough, but MAN am I tired of stupid workarounds.