Lightroom Classic: tiff to psd

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There needs to be a way to edit a TIFF in Photoshop—do the whole create tons layers thing—then save that back into lightroom as a PSD.

Currently it seems when you edit in photoshop it can only save it back to lightroom in the original file format.
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You can of course save a TIFF with layers as PSD and vise versa using Photoshop. But LR cannot edit layered files of either. Processing must flatten all that data to apply parametric edits. The results are the edits and layers are flattened into a new document (TIFF, PSD or JPEG). That's simply how LR processes data. 
LR has no issues cataloging layered TIFFs or PSDs. But if you edit them? That's a different story. 
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It is called "Save As" and then select PSD from the file format drop down.
Or just save, that is Save, all your layers in the original TIFF file.

If you want it to show up back in LR then YES you just save, Save, the original TIFF. All your layers, and whatever other edits/adjustment you have done will be included.
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I think you need to set LR up to edit in Ps as a .psd instead of tiff and then you won't be having this issue... it's in your LR Prefs...
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So now the question is why do you think you need to save a TIFF as a PSD?
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Hmmm... Well the reason being is that some of the files I work with require editing that goes beyond the capabilities of LR. And when i do bring those files into PS i often create heaps of layers and masks, and I want to preserve those edits and changes for future use in case I need to make some tweaks later down the road.

Am I just mistaken in thinking that when working in photoshop its best to work with PSD files? I just assumed PSD files would be able to preserve photoshop changes better than TIFF's would. Is this not the case?

I also want my workflow to be as non-destructive as possible. So I don't like editing copy's with the lightroom adjustments applied. I would prefer to work with a copy of the original and have lightroom apply the changes after the fact.
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Aside from Duotone and the InDesign feature, there isn't anything that a PSD provides that a TIFF doesn't. Both are owned and controlled by Adobe. But TIFF is openly documented and far more widely supported in other applications that PSD. As such, best over the long term to stick with TIFF. PSD brings nothing to the party. Now if you end up with massively large files (more than 4 gigs or 30K by 30K pixels), you'll have to save as PSB. LR doesn't for some very, very odd reason support this format. 
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@gnarDnar - After returning from Photoshop, if I add LR edits and want to return to Photoshop, I always edit original(rather than with LR adjustments) but to make sure LR keep the edits I made within LR, I unselect the option in LR's catalog settings under the Metadata tab, that say's Include Develop settings:
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And what does that have to do with the OPs question and this discussion?
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I may have misread what they mentioned here "I also want my workflow to be as non-destructive as possible. So I don't like editing copy's with the lightroom adjustments applied. I would prefer to work with a copy of the original and have lightroom apply the changes after the fact". Ignore my comment then. 
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That’s not less nondestructive. The lightroom edits have to be applied at some point.Just as adjustment layers have to be flattened at some point to make a print or produce a file outside PS like posting a JPEG to the web.
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@ Jerry
Any edits applied to any image file in LR can only be read displayed by/in LR. So if you have a RAW file that you have made edits to in LR then send to PS and save it as a TIFF and then once back in LR you make more edits to it in LR those edits will only show IN LR.
If you then send that TIF file back to PS and select NOT to have the LR edits applied, "Edit Original" instead of Edit a Copy With LR edits, when that file is shown in LR you will see the second set of LR edits but they will only be seen In LR. Opening that image in any other image viewing program will not display the second set of LR edits
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Good point; no reason to save PSD unless you're a major Indesign user and want to mess with layers there. Don't know why the ID team can not do the same for TIFF.
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One way is to use LR for managing files, When you want to edit, Photo>Edit in PS. Do all your edits layes and all but instead of pressing Save, go to save as > choose whatever format you want (PSD, tiff) and save. The edited version will be available in LR but if you access it again from LR it will be flattened. However if you access the file directly from photoshop or via bridge it will be as you left it with all the layers. If you do another adjustment e.g. put on a B&W layer and safe, this change will be reflected back into LR. If you are using photoshop to edit files its better to just LR to manage them. 
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"If you are using photoshop to edit files its better to just LR to manage them. "

I have to totally disagree with this. If you're doing a lot of round-tripping from LR to PS, then you're much better off using Bridge, since as you say, "if you access it again from LR it will be flattened."
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I also want my workflow to be as non-destructive as possible. So I don't like editing copy's with the lightroom adjustments applied. I would prefer to work with a copy of the original and have lightroom apply the changes after the fact.
You can do this using LR Edit in> Open as Smart Object in Photoshop. You'll need to do your raw edits in PS with the ACR plugin using 'Edit Contents,' but you can add any PS layers you like. Just be aware the Smart Object file size is significantly larger. See the below link.

https://lightroomkillertips.com/advantage-open-smart-object-photoshop/

For simpler edits like adding text, content aware fill, etc. Jerry Syder's suggestion works fine. Use Edit in PS> Edit Original, apply your edits and use 'Save.' The PS edits will appear inside LR along with its edits. You won't see the LR edits inside PS, but for these simpler tasks it simply isn't necessary and keeps file sizes in control.