The little things that can make our photo editing life better...

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I am running in to many small annoyances with the new Lightroom CC, which are not necessary feature requests but more improvements of the way things work:
  1. The ability to remove keywords in bulk. I started adding some keywords but changed my mind about the strategy. There seems to be no easy way to remove or rename keywords in bulk. I have to go to each photo and remove them, or add them to all my photos and then remove them in bulk. This is very labor intensive which it shouldn't be.
  2. Also, it would be really helpful to be able to click on a keyword and see other images tagged with the same keyword
  3. The info bar shows which albums a photo is in, but I would also like to see the folders since they are a key organisation tool (similar to collection sets in Classic).
  4. I would like to be able to edit keyboard shortcuts or at least assign some to the many commands. 
  5. Related to the previous, it would make much more sense to cycle through the ratings with the [ and ] key versus the pick flags, since they are not incremental while a rating is
  6. I miss the option to pick/see my favourite presets. I have many and it is a pain in the ass to go through them to find the one I need
  7. The ability to ungroup all stacks in an album at once
  8. Connect the location field in the info panel to Google Maps API or similar, so that I get auto suggestions when I type a location (see: https://developers.google.com/places/web-service/autocomplete). 
  9. Often when I double click on an image in grid view, I am taken back to the first image in the album instead of the full screen version of the image I click on
  10. When applying a mask, way to reset all mask settings (similar to Classic) by double clicking on something (or an icon)
  11. Option ot invert a mask
  12. Easy way to level a gradient mask with the frame
  13. Compare split view (matching the icon) versus the before and after toggle using \
  14. Highlight and shadow lipping indictor in histogram (now I have to use option + move slider to see if there is clipping)
  15. (related to previous) I like the look of the new histogram but I find it less usable since the bars hits the top of the panel (the dark line) and this makes it very hard (if not impossible) to read and thus determine if the bars are clipping or not. I feel that a little bit more 'breathing space' for the histogram on all sides would improve this a lot!
  16. Also it would be great if clicking on the histogram would toggle between RGB channels
  17. I miss the option being able to manually identify faces in a photo (which I hate doing, but I notice the algorithms still miss quite a lot of faces). Alternatively: if you give a keyword tag "Firstname Lastname" to each person in the people view, and I manually add this keyword to a photo which wasn't identified properly, it should be picked up as a person.
I will keep updating this post as I run into these type of annoyances, it is not feasible to make separate posts for each and all of them, and there might be some already to begin with. 
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You've got some great ideas there Floris, but I can't vote on them because they're all in one list. If you post them separately, other people who also like the ideas can vote too, and that gives them a much better shot at being implemented.
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I'm really sad it has become the way Adobe does development.

No offence to you Victoria, personally, of course, as we can all see how you're doing your best to keep up, and doing a good job at it.

It's just it's not feasable for everyone to go through and 'fill tickets' for the team about obvious things. There are probably 2 or 3 things that got an 'under consideration' status over a year of 'great ideas'.  I gave up giving feedback long ago. You totally get the feeling that you're using a beta software while payling full price monthly without any sort of roadmap.
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That is sad Armen. I've seen some really old feature requests implemented over the last couple of years, and the number of votes does illustrate how popular a feature would be, so they are taken into account. It's true that they don't offer a roadmap in advance, because things don't always work out quite as easy as they first sound.
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Victoria, I would love to do that but it takes too much of my precious time. While I think it makes sense for bigger features or new concepts, these are almost all small improvements to what is already there so I don't think upvotes are necessary. I hope a developer in the Lightroom team sees this list and thinks "hey, we can implement 80% of these in a quality of life improvement sprint with the team". 

BTW, although I don't share the negative sentiment that nothing is improving (I think quite some progress has been made in the last 1+ year and I think the product's foundation is very solid, but far from complete and missing some essential (usability breaking) features aimed at more demanding users, as well as some features that make sense for a forward-leaning cloud product like library (family) sharing and integrations with 3rd party services. 

I do strongly agree that Adobe can't rely on the community to do all their work WITHOUT communicating to us.
If they share a 1 year roadmap, I am willing to invest more time going feedback because I know I am not doing busywork that they already have on their roadmap, and also what the general direction is so I can determine if what I am suggesting makes sense at all.

I also don't feel like submitting tickets for every single thing, especially not for features that are already present in Lightroom Classic CC since I expect that the team is already working on moving the best features of Classic to the CC version one at a time. An Adobe intern could easily make a spreadsheet with all CC versus Classic features and bulk upload them as tickets so we can vote and give feedback on them.

Again my question is: what is Adobe's desired future for Lightroom CC? Slimmed down (light) version of Lightroom for the mobile generation, existing next to Classic? Feature parity with Classic CC after 5 years of development? Or a feedback based rebuild similar to what Apple did with Final Cut Pro > Final Cut Pro X (they unfortunately burned all their bridges by sunsetting the old version before the new version was ready)? I believe the latter but I would like Adobe to make it explicit.

All the above basically boils down to this very elementary question: is it the intention that Lightroom CC will be able to replace Lightroom Classic CC at some point in the future allowing like 90% of existing customer base to migrate? 

TLDR; a little bi-directional communicating goes a long way. The community can't collaborate with Adobe if the road ahead is a one-way street. Share your vision and roadmap with us, so we can rally behind it and help you.
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Good on you Floris -

I could not agree more - and felt that a simple "Like" was not adequate appreciation to you - both for your initial string of of solid suggestions and for your candid response to being told to dismember your original post.

I have been and remain active on several other product communities - including the Windows Insider Program - all of whom seem to use intelligent tools to evaluate the threads within their communities.

Road maps aside - this community seems to have less respect from the developers than any of the others I belong to.  Makes me wonder whether its primary purpose was simply to allow good folk to get things off their chest [cathartic effect] but never intended to be taken too seriously by the developers.

Once upon a time - many moons ago - I recall similar criticism of a video editing suite forum that I belong to - but they have made huge leaps in actively participating in the threads with meaningful comments on issues being worked on. 
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Greetings,

Thank you for your enthusiasm for the Lightroom family of products. For your Ideas to gain more prominent notice and have maximum impact with the team, there are a few things you could do to help.

Ideas, or feature requests as some call them, work like this on the Feedback Forum:  Each individual Idea is single post anchoring a thread. All of the people who have a similar idea and relate their rational will be merged into a single master post that contains all the comments on a single topic.  This has a few advantages:

1. It gives Adobe a place to accumulate votes (by either creating a thread that is merged into the master thread or by hitting the [Me Too] button in the upper right corner. Adobe can see at a glance, search for, and rank the top features being requested without having to search for scattered posts. The engineering staff can read the user’s comments and divine the best ways to implement a given request.
2. By being a part of this master Idea thread, when an Idea comes to fruition and becomes an active feature in the software, Adobe updates this thread. Participants in the thread, those who’ve been merged in and those who have hit the [Me Too] button will be notified by email to updates and feature announcements related to the original request.

You can help us out by doing a few things to make your idea count. First, if you have an idea, search to see if idea is already posted as a formal Idea. If it is, hit the [Me Too] button and if you like add your individual comments to the thread. Second, if you don’t find the idea is already posted, create a new thread and post your idea for a new feature.  Please keep the Ideas as one idea per thread so that we can merge them with the correct master threads if necessary.  We don’t have a way to merge an Idea into multiple threads so if you make multiple feature requests in a single post, it is very likely to get lost in the shuffle, lessening its impact. 
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Oh dear ... the "official response" is governed by a "tick-the-box" mindset. An incredibly thoughtful and indeed useful post will be summarily ignored because it does not conform to the "rules" that each point must be set out in its own little box ... all 17 of them !!!

The irony is that even after taking the time to dismember the ideas - no matter how good they may be ... and judging from other threads - no matter how "popular" those threads may be ... the probability of getting any developer response is pretty much zero.  

See for e.g. this one 
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/i-like-the-new-lightroom-cc-but-i-hate-auto-s...
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I am not an Adobe employee so I won't spend my free Sunday's filing tickets, end of story. If you want individual tickets, have an intern or employee convert the bullet points, since they are getting paid by Adobe and I am not. I rather spend that time with my family. I am also having a very hard time believing that you don't use some other development platform for Jira for development, where these requests belong.

How can you ask me, a paying customer, with a straight face to file 17 feature requests tickets, for a product which I am paying you, Adobe, $120/year for. What reality is this that we're living in? 

The most popular requests export, virtual copies etc.) and as far as we know, aren't even in development. See this handy section of your own forum: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/categories/photoshop_family_lightroom_cc?topic-list[...
ZERO new features are planned at the moment. The top 4 "under consideration" have been submitted A YEAR AGO https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/categories/photoshop_family_lightroom_cc?topic-list[.... If you want the community to use the software as it was intended, then lead by example and start doing so yourself first. There is no fun in submitting ideas into a blackhole without getting any input in return. 

Example of a mega corp that used to be stuck in the 80s but finally gets it nowadays: Microsoft. They have an insider program where people can sign up and then submit product ideas. But Microsoft communicates six months ahead what new features to expect in the next Windows release. They also communicate when stuff is not ready to ship or when they're hitting roadblocks. This is how it is supposed to work.

That's community driven development, not how it is done here on a one-way street. 

If you want the community to do part of your company's work, that's fine, but then own it and communicate a roadmap and be more open (and maybe generous, e.g. giving the software for free to contributors or extra storage or whatever).

I have no grudges against individual Adobe employees (like Rikki) since they just do their job as they're told, but Adobe's corporate policies are rotten and not fit for the year 2018. Luckily for all of us, the alternatives are getting really good these days and really affordable so if Adobe doesn't learn, we can vote with our wallet. 

Capture One - mature, capable and great color engine
DxO PhotoLab 2 - amazing raw converter, just introduced photo management module which they will expand coming year
Luminar - DAM will be added on the 18th of December, free of charge for all customers
ON1 - 2019 version with AI-based Lightroom library import preserving our edits
Polarr -- very capable cloud application which does most things Lightroom Classic does in the cloud already, just lacking DAM functionality. I would say it is most similar to Lightroom CC minus the DAM features.

Personally I like Lightroom CC and want it to succeed, hence I subscribed, but I am not married to it and if I don't feel valued as a customer, I am out. I am still hanging in but not for much longer if the attitude doesn't change.

TLDR; sorry to repeat myself over and over but seriously Adobe, WAKE UP to the new world. Don't be a parasite and ask people to invest time and money in a product without giving anything back for their time and effort. You got the part about community driven development, but it doesn't work without giving back, which you clearly aren't doing enough judging all the complaints in here. A simple roadmap for the year ahead would already go A LONG WAY.



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Just an after thought - surely Adobe can progress beyond this linear approach to the Community and make use of abundantly available AI algorithms [try Google] for interrogating and sorting all the "big data" housed within the community to determine the frequency with which ideas are shared and the extent to which they fit with existing development plans?

It does seem strange that in the 21st century a leading creative house like Adobe still needs to have customer ideas placed in little boxes ??

I'm sure a lot of "out the box" thinking has gone into the development of premium products like Premiere / Photoshop / Lightroom etc etc ... time to apply the same to this community.

Jira would be a great start - as suggested by Floris  ;-)
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And to reality hit home my earlier point, I just noticed this on your competitor's website:

Skylum Luminar roadmap https://skylum.com/luminar/roadmap

Why is this too much to ask from you Adobe? And don't say "we are a publicly traded company" since that doesn't prevent you at all to publish a roadmap. It doesn't prevent Microsoft, Apple, Nintendo, Nikon and many other companies to publish roadmaps.

This should be of particular interest:
  • Lightroom Migration Tool -- You will be able to move your data and images from Adobe Lightroom to Skylum Luminar.

After ON1 this makes the second company implementing an AI based import workflow that imports not only the image and metadata but also the edits (approximation). 

How does this roadmap help me? It tells me exactly what I can more or less expect down the line from the company and product and if it is worth it to invest $ XX in product X or Y. 

This also signifies a call to action that I should reach out to them rather sooner than later with my feedback on virtual copies versus snapshots that I posted on here so it can help them implement it in a better way. Now that is the power of a roadmap and community focused communication. Bottom line: around July 2019, the Luminar product is likely to incorporate the major shortcomings that prevent me from switching over right now (DAM, virtual copies and smart search). I already own it since it is really affordable. 

I hope to see a Lightroom roadmap soon. Never too late to change habits Adobe!


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