And why are labels being dropped again? This is not how to you move forward, Adobe.
Be sure to click Vote and Follow on that topic. (This topic shouldn't be merged with that one, since this one is about more than just keywords.)
Adobe has publicly indicated they have no intention of enhancing LR Classic sync. But if enough customers provide feedback, it's conceivable they'll change their mind. The last couple of user surveys had questions about LR Classic sync, so at least someone within Adobe is questioning the party line.
For those using both Lightroom CC and Lightroom Classic, can you share the most effective workflow that you use?
Here is what I have figured out so far.
1 - Download new photos to Lightroom CC ( I heard in a training, that if you upload to Lightroom Classic they will not sync with Lightroom CC).
2 - In Lightroom CC - rate all photos with stars and checkmarks, etc.
3 - In Lightroom CC - Add Keywords (After doing this in CC with 2,000 photos, and syncing with classic, I found out the keywords don't upload to Classic.) If I do this in Lightroom CC will the keywords be added to the metadata on the web? OR do keywords need to be done in Lightroom Classic, or do I have to do it in both places?
4 - Should I add the Title and Caption for my photos in Lightroom CC or in Lightroom Classic and why?
5 - Then Switch to Lightroom Classic and sync the photo's and then add the metadata, creator data, and location to all of my photos as this feature ISN'T available in CC and is only available in Lightroom Classic.
6 - Then add my watermark to all of my photos in Lightroom Classic, as this feature is also NOT AVAILABLE in Lightroom CC.
7 - Image hardening? What do you use for additional protection of your photos?
From this point, what is the best way to get all of my images uploaded onto my website?
Do I try and do it from Lightroom Classic OR Lightroom CC.
Which keywords and metadata will the crawlers on google pick up when trying to index the images?
Will it pick up the keywords in Lightroom CC OR Lightroom Classic?
Should I even bother putting keywords into Lightroom Classic? Does anyone know these questions?
Is there anything in my workflow you would suggest doing differently or add anything?
Has anyone on here used the Plug-ins suggested above to sync their keywords or other data? I think it is called the Photographers Toolbox?
Any other things you would suggest as a newer user to Lightroom? Did I forget anything?
Any insights you could provide would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks for the extra clarification.
In terms of options, one thing you could consider is using Classic only. Many photographers have used Lightroom on their travels for many years, well before LRCC was introduced. Yes, it requires taking a laptop with you, but once setup correctly it’s quite slick, and avoids all the hassle of trying to work around the differing syncing protocols in a combined Classic and CC workflow. Everything on your list of things to do can be dealt with (and often more comprehensively) using Classic only. You can also, should you wish to use the “all your photos anywhere” feature of CC, sync all your images from Classic to the cloud. Classic can only sync Smart Previews, not full originals, but they would usually be plenty good enough for viewing on mobile devices or in a browser (and can be edited on those devices as well).
A side benefit is that uploaded smart previews do not count against the cloud storage allowance. Plus, not universally known, it is possible to transfer existing metadata from Classic (which does not subsequently sync) to CC during the initial upload.....so keywords and location data CAN be transferred on a one-way, one-time basis.
However, should you still want to use the hybrid Classic & CC workflow, you obviously realise that some compromises (or duplication of effort) is likely. You’ve said that you want the full-resolution originals uploaded to the cloud, which can only be done by importing them into any of the CC apps (desktop, mobile, web). Once you do that, a copy of those originals will automatically download into the sync-enabled Classic catalog. In terms of how you work after that initial import, it’s probably easier to answer by addressing the various points that you made in your original post:
1. Download (Import) new photos to LR CC. What you probably heard in the training is that if you import into Classic the images do not automatically sync to the cloud, but they do sync once the user enables them to sync (either by adding them to a collection which has been sync-enabled, or by adding them to the special All Synced Photographs collection). But as mentioned, only SPs will upload, so full originals means import into an LR CC app.
2. Ratings and Flags: can be done in Classic or any LRCC app, as these settings do sync. If you’re mobile at the time, using phone or tablet works well, and they’ll be waiting for you when you next start LR Classic.
3. Keywords: the big problem area. Personally, if I was just starting out with Lightroom and had decided on a hybrid workflow I’d probably keyword (simply) in LRCC and hope that the AI tagging improves to the point that the auto-tags are viewable on the web in shared albums. I certainly wouldn’t contemplate entering the same data twice, once into each “system”.
4. Titles and Captions....same as Flags and Ratings, i.e. enter into whichever system suits you best at the time. No preference, the data syncs correctly no matter where it is input.
5. Other metadata....copyright syncs, as does GPS data. LRCC has a similar address look-up feature as Classic, so if the image has GPS co-ordinates it will auto-tag some of the Location data.
6. Watermarks....strictly speaking you can’t add watermarks to your images in any LR version, what you can do in Classic is embed a watermark when you export an image. The mobile version of LRCC also has a watermark feature on export (not as comprehensive as Classic’s), but not the desktop version of LRCC yet.
7. Image hardening? Not sure what you mean.
For a variety of reasons, mainly to do with the fact that I’ve been using Lightroom since version 1 (and thus all my pre-existing images are keyworded using a hierarchical keyword list, and have all the GPS and location tags set), I’ve developed my own hybrid workflow....though I’m not sure I would use it if I was a power-user. My principal goals of this workflow are to have all my photos available on whatever device or browser I’m using at the time, and to use the ever-improving album-sharing capabilities of the cloud, and having the originals uploaded and available to underpin those goals is important to me as well. Also I want to continue to use the same hierarchical keyword list, at least until such time as LRCC matures sufficiently that I can switch completely from Classic, without double-entry of any metadata.
It basically involves importing initially into LR Classic (my desktop computer is an MBP, so I’d probably take it mobile as well, so I could use the same workflow wherever I was), and optionally syncing SPs to the cloud (depends on the number of images to be processed, if only a few I’d not bother syncing SPs). Then I’d cull and process the keepers to “completion”, mainly in terms of metadata entry (specifically keywords and location data) as edits can be finalised later. Once I’m happy that the metadata entry is complete I select all, convert to DNG, then do Ctrl+S to write metadata to XMP. At that point the metadata is “in the file” and I remove the folder containing those images from LR Classic (which also removes any associated SPs from the cloud). Then I import that same folder into the desktop LRCC, which uploads the originals to the cloud (and reads and imports the metadata that’s in the files) and from the cloud they’ll then download into LR Classic (into my standard date-based folder system). Thus I end up with the same keywords, location data and other metadata in both systems, after having entered it only once (although the hierarchical keywords are flattened in LRCC).
It’s not a workflow that would suit everyone, and I have to maintain discipline to do things in the correct order, but it does work for me (mostly....but subsequent significant keyword list changes can be a PITA to deal with in two places!).
I hope some of the above helps.
1. Am I right that you delete the images off Classic & import into CC after metadata work because you want the originals on the cloud? Do you keep a local copy anywhere or trust Adobe with your only copy of your originals? I keep my photos on a single 2TB drive and have a separate backup service to the cloud. These cloud services make me nervous. I've had them limit the file size or type that they back up and I only discover it when a hard drive is failing. You can lose your original full resolution files.
2. What is the workflow to "sync all photographs" from Classic to CC and maintain your Classic folder structure in CC? When I first started with CC I thought I had to create collections to sync and so now I've got a bit of a mess. I'd prefer my photos sync to CC and be organized by the folder structure I use in Classic, not by an additional "Collection" organizational method. Hope that makes sense.
3. Can you recommend a workflow using "Classic only" for when you are on the road? As I understood it, there were 2 options. a) Keep your photos on a portable drive that you could plug into your laptop or your desktop, or b) Download photos to a laptop for processing on the road, then import the photos and metadata files into the catalog in Classic on the desktop when you get home. I could never commit to either of these adjustments in my workflow so I still don't have a way to do this but want to figure it out because I hope to travel more in the near future.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
I have no reason to distrust Adobe with my LRCC images, but I don't especially regard them as another backup (even more so as there is as yet no LRCC cloud trash-can, so any accidental deletions from the cloud would be embarrassing if that cloud contained my only master copy). I still regard Classic as the place where my masters are maintained, and I'm very careful about backups.
2. There is no way for LRCC to maintain the same folder structure as you use in Classic, which is not unreasonable if you try to imagine the tens of thousands of different drives letters and drive names and permutations thereof used by the "community" which would have to be replicated and maintained on the Adobe servers. So basing the organisational structure on albums (collections in Classic) makes much more sense (and they are of course a much more efficient tool for image organisation). To help you, however, Adobe has recently implemented a method whereby the user can have their existing Classic folder structure duplicated as a Collection Set, with sub-folders duplicated as collections. If you migrate an existing Classic catalog to LRCC, the Collections Sets and Collections would appear in LRCC as Folders and Albums (Folders in LRCC is the equivalent to Collection Sets in Classic). But if you don't migrate, and simply set all the collections to sync to LRCC, the Collection Sets do not sync so the user would have to manually set up the equivalent Folders in LRCC, then drag and drop the albums into the appropriate Folders.
3. That's a difficult question to answer, as there are many different ways of working (more than the two that you mentioned), and a lot will depend upon the user's own setup (e.g. laptop only, or desktop at home and laptop while travelling), and upon the desired goal when travelling (e.g. to deal with new imports only, or access to some or all of the existing catalog). There are probably many posts about the subject on this and other Lightroom forums, so a quick search should reveal more ideas.
Hope this helps.