Lightroom Classic: Support for HEIC file format (Windows)

  • 139
  • Idea
  • Updated 3 months ago
  • Implemented
  • (Edited)
Support for HEIC file format was included in Lightroom CC but still is needed in Lightroom Classic.  When will it be added?

[HEIC image support was added to LR 7.4 (for Mac OS 10.13 or later) and LR 7.5 (Windows 10).  (We're now at LR 8.2.1.) See https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom-cc/kb/heic-files-support.html.  

- John Ellis]
Photo of Robert MacWilliam

Robert MacWilliam

  • 5 Posts
  • 3 Reply Likes
  • Frustrated. Why create file format support in LR CC on launch but not update LR Classic at the same time.

Posted 2 years ago

  • 139
Photo of Dmitry

Dmitry

  • 182 Posts
  • 53 Reply Likes
Please add HEIC support to Lightroom CC Classic!!! Can't use Lightroom to edit pictures from iPhone X!!!
(Edited)
Photo of Steve Sprengel

Steve Sprengel, Champion

  • 2672 Posts
  • 347 Reply Likes
Photo of Victoria Bampton - Lightroom Queen

Victoria Bampton - Lightroom Queen, Champion

  • 4974 Posts
  • 1935 Reply Likes
> My frustration has been that Adobe has in the past removed information.

The only posts that get deleted are duplicates, pirating, outright spam and bad language. Adobe doesn't even delete posts that are anti-Adobe, as can be see by many of the angry posts still live here on the forum. We do merge threads of the same issue, but the "other" versions of the threads remain live with a link to the merged thread.
Photo of Jay Stallard

Jay Stallard

  • 28 Posts
  • 8 Reply Likes
Victoria, thank you for that clarification - I did not understand what was happening and that makes sense.
Photo of Bob Cutillo

Bob Cutillo

  • 1 Post
  • 0 Reply Likes
I am on Lightroom 6.14 / Camera raw 10.1 and its about time that Lightroom supported these types. Does anyone know of a way to work on these files without the conversions?
Photo of Viktor Franzen

Viktor Franzen

  • 2 Posts
  • 7 Reply Likes
I woud really really really like Lightroom CC Classic to support the HEIF/HEIC format. Any updates?
Photo of john beardsworth

john beardsworth

  • 1184 Posts
  • 297 Reply Likes
HEIC is still a lossy format, isn't it, and LR edits to JPEGs are non-destructive. Shooting DNG with the LR Mobile camera offers you a lossless option. You may find that you get more out of your money by experimenting with it.
Photo of Jay Stallard

Jay Stallard

  • 28 Posts
  • 8 Reply Likes
That may be true.  However: 
High Efficiency Image File Format (HEIF, often pronounced heef)[1][2][3][4] is a file formatfor individual images and image sequences. It was developed by the Moving Picture Experts Group (MPEG) and is defined by MPEG-H Part 12 (ISO/IEC 23008-12). The MPEG group claims that twice as much information can be stored in HEIF image as a JPEG one of the same size, even in better quality.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format
Photo of john beardsworth

john beardsworth

  • 1184 Posts
  • 297 Reply Likes
Sure, it is supposed to save file size relative to JPEG. It's still lossy, and if non-destructive editing is the "core" reason, shooting lossless DNG is the logical choice.
Photo of Gary Kohls

Gary Kohls

  • 3 Posts
  • 2 Reply Likes
Suggestions to capture in DNG are classic redirection.  There are reasons to capture and use HEIF.  I have hundreds or thousands of these files on my wife's iPhone that I'd like to move off and into LR.  I want to preserve the live video (which she loves in some of her pics) as an integral part of the image.  I don't want to manage them a separate objects and tag them separately (at least not by default).  HEIF files are a fact and LR Classic needs to get off the pot and support them well.
Photo of John R. Ellis

John R. Ellis, Champion

  • 4411 Posts
  • 1171 Reply Likes
Gary, are you on Windows?  HEIC is now supported on Mac.
Photo of David Converse

David Converse

  • 687 Posts
  • 207 Reply Likes
They don't even have support for non-flattened PSD files (without Maximize Compatibility) after all these years. I'm not holding my breath.
Photo of Johan Elzenga

Johan Elzenga, Champion

  • 2085 Posts
  • 859 Reply Likes
On most iPhones you can use DNG nowadays. Maybe not with the Apple camera app, but there are plenty apps (including Lightroom Mobile) that support this.
Photo of Dmitry

Dmitry

  • 182 Posts
  • 53 Reply Likes
You can't shoot DNG to avoid the problem. Lightroom shoots DNG very poorly. They all are too smeared from hand movements in compare to the standard Camera app.
(Edited)
Photo of Johan Elzenga

Johan Elzenga, Champion

  • 2085 Posts
  • 859 Reply Likes
So use another app that can shoot in DNG. There are plenty of them.
Photo of Johan Elzenga

Johan Elzenga, Champion

  • 2085 Posts
  • 859 Reply Likes
BTW, the Lightroom camera app has a 'Professional' setting that allows you to manually adjust things like ISO and shutter speed, so you can avoid hand movement problems.
Photo of Dmitry

Dmitry

  • 182 Posts
  • 53 Reply Likes
You are not right. The standard Camera can eliminate movement problems with THE SAME settings. Just check it. I think Apple uses artificial intelligence and hidden API for that.
(Edited)
Photo of Yury

Yury

  • 1 Post
  • 6 Reply Likes
It is just another way Adobe is trying to push us toward the cloud crap. The fact that HEIC support has been added in the LR CC but not in Classic is a clear indication. 
Photo of Victoria Bampton - Lightroom Queen

Victoria Bampton - Lightroom Queen, Champion

  • 4937 Posts
  • 1918 Reply Likes
Er, no, they just hit some bugs that couldn't be fixed in time for release deadlines. It doesn't mean it won't come, but this is brand new tech.
Photo of Greg Kuhnen

Greg Kuhnen

  • 16 Posts
  • 35 Reply Likes
I suspect a lot of us are watching the next few "Classic" releases very closely. It's quickly going to become clear whether Adobe has effectively abandoned that app.
Photo of TheBatman

TheBatman

  • 38 Posts
  • 45 Reply Likes

It's a small thing, but this encapsulates for me why Adobe's cloud subscription model is such a disappointment. The original promise of moving to the cloud model was so they could add features as they are ready, instead of having to wait for a big "version" release to launch them. Yet that hasn't happened at all ... and in fact the pace of innovation has clearly slowed down massively over the last few years. 

Now, you may argue that the new LR CC is precisely what I'm describing - an auto-updated version that is continually tweaked, just like a web browser - but the fact is that it's not suitable for most of us who have a ton of images in local storage. So effectively Adobe is telling their serious/long-time users to take a hike, all the while putting engineering resources into a copycat of Apple Photos and Google Photos, which nobody will use because if they want that, they are already using Apple Photos or Google Photos.

Sigh. At least can we get HEIC/HEIF support? It already exists in Adobe code, for goodness sake. Ridiculous.

   
Photo of Victoria Bampton - Lightroom Queen

Victoria Bampton - Lightroom Queen, Champion

  • 4937 Posts
  • 1918 Reply Likes
> The original promise of moving to the cloud model was so they could add features as they are ready

New features are added as soon as they're ready. We don't have to wait 18-24 months anymore. Now releases run about every 2 months. This new feature just isn't ready yet.

Don't worry that LRCC is taking resources away from Classic. It's a separate team - just like adding new features to Photoshop doesn't take away from Lightroom's development.
(Edited)
Photo of Jay Stallard

Jay Stallard

  • 28 Posts
  • 8 Reply Likes
In year 2000 we called cloud co-location.  Nothing new here except that web based applications have massive limitations.  They are clunky, slow, and really don't work well offline.
Photo of Greg Kuhnen

Greg Kuhnen

  • 16 Posts
  • 35 Reply Likes
While we're at it - let's get specific about how HEIC should be supported. The current CC implementation preemptively converts files to jpeg (an unnecessary, lossy conversion) and loses any portrait mode depth maps in the process. That's completely counter to the idea of a non-destructive editing workflow.

I'd like to see HEIC treated like other formats - always use the native file or some lossless conversion of it as the foundation and apply processing on top of that.
Photo of Franck Payen

Franck Payen

  • 96 Posts
  • 10 Reply Likes
Sounds smart, but mostly as opened in Photoshop, where we could import a depth layer and use it for later postprocessing I guess.
Photo of Greg Kuhnen

Greg Kuhnen

  • 16 Posts
  • 35 Reply Likes
One example of how this is useful - when I shoot in "Portrait" mode, the blur effect often has problems. Apple's photos app (and potentially others) can turn the depth effect off and salvage the photo. In time, there might even be more interesting things we can do in post.
(Edited)
Photo of Robert MacWilliam

Robert MacWilliam

  • 5 Posts
  • 3 Reply Likes
Greg, Thanks for taking my basic request (have LR Classic read HEIC like LR CC does) and point out how it really should be implemented. We can only hope that the delay in adding it to LR Classic is due to the time that it takes Adobe how to figure out how to open a HEIC file in a non destructive way and let us work with it.
Photo of Jay Stallard

Jay Stallard

  • 28 Posts
  • 8 Reply Likes
It is not in Adobe's interest to use an open format like HEIC as that lowers switching costs when another product becomes available.  I created this to step out of Adobe's forums to get a real sense of how many people are bothered by their lack of HEIC support: https://www.facebook.com/groups/255453151688912/ I hope you will support Adobe Adopting the HEIC format
Photo of Jay Stallard

Jay Stallard

  • 28 Posts
  • 8 Reply Likes
Yes! you are dead on - the whole point of Aperture and Lightroom was to have master files that edits were just an instruction set operate from the master image.  
Photo of Steve Quinlan

Steve Quinlan

  • 3 Posts
  • 12 Reply Likes
Does anyone at Adobe yet have an update to this issue? How is it possible that the default image format of the most used camera in the world is not supported by Adobe's flagship photo cataloging application? 
Photo of Jay Stallard

Jay Stallard

  • 28 Posts
  • 8 Reply Likes

That is May 30 of this year!
Photo of TheBatman

TheBatman

  • 38 Posts
  • 45 Reply Likes
Don't worry Steve, now that LR is "cloud" software it can be continually updated! Oh wait, except they have the code for this but it's still not updated. Never mind...
Photo of Michael Grant

Michael Grant

  • 3 Posts
  • 14 Reply Likes
+1 on this. It's insulting to add support to L-CC and not Classic CC. And a BIG +1 to @gregkuhnen comment about how to support it natively.
Photo of TheBatman

TheBatman

  • 38 Posts
  • 45 Reply Likes
I have looked over the documentation for today's 7.2 update but don't see any reference to HEIC/HEIF support. I can't believe it would have been left out... somebody please tell me I'm wrong.
Photo of Michael Grant

Michael Grant

  • 3 Posts
  • 14 Reply Likes
The fact this didn't make it into 7.2 is VERY disappointing Adobe. Just hard to reconcile 8 months since the iOS 11 beta where this first became the clear direction for iOS photo & video formats. Adobe dropping ball.
Photo of Victoria Bampton - Lightroom Queen

Victoria Bampton - Lightroom Queen, Champion

  • 4899 Posts
  • 1907 Reply Likes
> If Adobe were to actually use the number of votes here to prioritise their development, that would be crazy

Actual votes numbers would be useless, no question, but the percentage of votes on each feature is surprisingly representative of the general feedback. Of course, they don't JUST use this forum. They talk to real people, they talk to influencers who are constantly talking to real people, and they do other research, in addition to the votes here.

Yes, there's technical debt to pay back, but believe it or not, I don't think LR7 is on its last legs. The engineers are more fired up and enthusiastic than I've seen in years. And I've been watching closely for years.
(Edited)
Photo of Dmitry

Dmitry

  • 182 Posts
  • 52 Reply Likes
I'm the only one person that reported the issue that Photoshop CC sometimes but OFTEN prevents mac from going into the sleep mode. I saw the issue on different macs - so, I'm 100% sure that EVERY mac user has the same problem. But you won't fix it, right? Because there are not many upvoters there. And you have courage to ignore issues even with such many upvoters like here.

Link to the bug report: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/bug-report-photoshop-cc-prevents-mac-from-sle...
(Edited)
Photo of Dmitry

Dmitry

  • 182 Posts
  • 52 Reply Likes
Also I can't resist to mention that it took 1 year for Adobe to fix one single little white pixel on the corner of the screen. Do you see how diligently they work? Several people even returned their macs and displays thinking that they purchased defective hardware (me too). But that was just a software pixel from Adobe application. And that was so hard for them to fix!
Photo of Mark Knight

Mark Knight

  • 3 Posts
  • 4 Reply Likes
I'm unbelievably disappointed that Adobe has deferred this again. The best camera is the one that's always with me. The best photography workflow solution is the one that works with the camera I always have with me. Lightroom now fails. Adobe needs to consider the modern approach to cloud software with "insider" previews and the monthly subscription is now becoming a farce.
Photo of Peter Gillespie

Peter Gillespie

  • 1 Post
  • 2 Reply Likes
I won't move my photos into he cloud.  If Adobe abandons CC classic I'll have to find anther product - shame!
Photo of TheBatman

TheBatman

  • 38 Posts
  • 45 Reply Likes
255 days since the WWDC announcement of HEIF. I'll probably use this thread as a running count of how long it's been.
Photo of Dmitry

Dmitry

  • 182 Posts
  • 53 Reply Likes
Maybe they will think better about what issues to fix if all 32 people here cancel their subscription.
Photo of Dmitry

Dmitry

  • 182 Posts
  • 53 Reply Likes
DNG format from Lightroom for iPhone is extremely poor! JPG and HEIC from native Camera app produce 1,000 times better quality images. They are sharp even on long exposure. DNG isn't sharp at all on the same settings.
Photo of Dmitry

Dmitry

  • 182 Posts
  • 53 Reply Likes
By they way, somebody should post it as the separate issue to Adobe.
Photo of john beardsworth

john beardsworth

  • 1198 Posts
  • 303 Reply Likes
Even so, it looks like Lr users are still preferring the built-in camera and DNG. Here is about the only place where anyone is asking for HEIC support - which will come when it's ready.
Photo of TheBatman

TheBatman

  • 38 Posts
  • 45 Reply Likes
John with respect, it sounds like you don't appreciate the things HEIF enables that JPG and DNG do not (eg, new bounce, loop and time lapse effects available when editing on iphone). Check it out, they are pretty cool.

And whether it gets supported or not should not be a function of this forum. As stated, this is not a feature request (e.g. like dehaze) but rather support for native file formats, which Abode (usually) does automatically. It's not as if the forum was lit up for support for the Pentax *ist D (to pick a deliberately obscure camera whose file format is supported), and yet they did it in a timely manner.
Photo of john beardsworth

john beardsworth

  • 1198 Posts
  • 303 Reply Likes
You're right, I don't appreciate those things, but maybe your comment should apply generally to Lr/iPhone users? Pentax is just another raw format, HEIC/F is a new one and who knows what bugs Adobe hit, or what they may be waiting for? My guess is that the underlying issue may be OS-level support for these formats (just like video depends on the OS), but that is only a guess - and before anyone says it, no, I'm not just pointing the finger elsewhere!
(Edited)
Photo of Dmitry

Dmitry

  • 182 Posts
  • 53 Reply Likes
What is the most disgusting is that they could not even write here: "We are working on the issue".
Photo of Mark Knight

Mark Knight

  • 3 Posts
  • 4 Reply Likes
The official status of the thread is still "Under Consideration" rather than "In Progress".
Photo of Jay Stallard

Jay Stallard

  • 28 Posts
  • 8 Reply Likes
Here This was from May 30th of this year ... 
(Edited)
Photo of Greg Kuhnen

Greg Kuhnen

  • 16 Posts
  • 35 Reply Likes
Interesting - Skylum Luminar just added native heic support. They'll be on my short list of alternatives if Adobe sends Lightroom into a tailspin.

I *want* Lightroom to get its groove back. The new Sensei auto mode and performance improvements in the last couple of releases are promising additions, it's been a long time since we've seen meaningful features added to the application now branded Classic.
Photo of TheBatman

TheBatman

  • 38 Posts
  • 45 Reply Likes
Agree 100% with this
Photo of David Kent

David Kent

  • 5 Posts
  • 8 Reply Likes
Also agreed.
I'm waiting for support so I can import / archive / edit my iPhone photos. I know I can convert them to jpg. But I'll change editors before I do that.
Photo of Gary Kohls

Gary Kohls

  • 3 Posts
  • 2 Reply Likes
I am stilling on a large backlog of HEIF files on multiple phone. A David said, I won’t downgrade them to JPEG to bring them into LR. Support now exists in Windows 10 so it’s time to get support into LR Classic (a most unfortunate choice of names for a great product).
Photo of witta priester

witta priester

  • 6 Posts
  • 4 Reply Likes
Adobe -- the time has indeed come.  We need this in Lightroom Classic!
Photo of Ray Toscano

Ray Toscano

  • 12 Posts
  • 7 Reply Likes
Add me to the list of users demanding this be supported
Photo of Jay Stallard

Jay Stallard

  • 28 Posts
  • 8 Reply Likes
You can add yourself to this list - I set it up today: https://www.facebook.com/groups/255453151688912/
Photo of Nathan Johnson

Nathan Johnson

  • 4 Posts
  • 4 Reply Likes
How long has this been "UNDER CONSIDERATION"? or is that new? Big time +1 on this, It's very frustrating.
(Edited)
Photo of TheBatman

TheBatman

  • 38 Posts
  • 45 Reply Likes
256
Photo of TheBatman

TheBatman

  • 38 Posts
  • 45 Reply Likes
259
Photo of john beardsworth

john beardsworth

  • 1184 Posts
  • 297 Reply Likes
Well, no number of juvenile posts will "shame" them, especially as it's clearly not a big deal for Lr/iPhone users. As explained a few times, they hit some kind of  bug.
Photo of Gary Rowe

Gary Rowe

  • 107 Posts
  • 37 Reply Likes
Yes, well, they've been hitting a lot of them lately ;)
Photo of Gary Rowe

Gary Rowe

  • 107 Posts
  • 37 Reply Likes
And, as numbers seem to be in for this thread, that 'as explained a few times' turns out to be ..... in fact .... once.
Photo of john beardsworth

john beardsworth

  • 1184 Posts
  • 297 Reply Likes
Ha ha. I have explained it more than once, Victoria has explained it at least once. But one number does appear to be rising faster than any other - the number of juvenile posts....
Photo of Jay Stallard

Jay Stallard

  • 28 Posts
  • 8 Reply Likes
They hit a bug?  Yea, they don't want to do it.  Here are the folks that have:

In June 2017, Apple announced support for HEIF in macOS High Sierra and iOS 11 which were released in September 2017.[14][15][16]

Nokia supports the format and has released an open source JavaScript HEIF decoder on GitHub that works in a web browser.[17]

In December 2017, Zoner released an update to its Zoner Photo Studio X program, which is the first Windows application to offer support for HEIF.[18][19][19]

In March 2018, Android P and Microsoft Windows 10 (version 1803 preview, build 17123[20]) introduced support for HEIF.[21]

In April 2018, struktur AG released the open source library "libheif" that supports reading and writing HEIF files, including alpha and depth images, tiled images, thumbnails, sequences, transformations, overlays and EXIF metadata.

In April 2018, ImageMagick added support for reading and writing HEIF files.

In May 2018, GIMP added support for loading and exporting HEIF files.[22]

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format
Photo of TheBatman

TheBatman

  • 38 Posts
  • 45 Reply Likes
263. Happy Friday everyone!

The waiting is the hardest part
Every day you get one more yard
You take it on faith, you take it to the heart
The waiting is the hardest part
Photo of Daniele Carotenuto

Daniele Carotenuto

  • 2 Posts
  • 2 Reply Likes
I find it weird, to say the least, that there's no official announcement about "we are working on it" or "we don't know if we will do it"... 
Photo of Jay Stallard

Jay Stallard

  • 28 Posts
  • 8 Reply Likes
Here you go - May 30, 2018: 

Photo of David Sanger (SU2)

David Sanger (SU2)

  • 12 Posts
  • 14 Reply Likes
all my iPhone photos up to 2017 I can edit in Lightroom Classic, but none of the images once I got the iPhone 7 Plus. I don't use Lightroom CC. Come on Adobe, this standard was written in 2015 . Get with it.
Photo of TheBatman

TheBatman

  • 38 Posts
  • 45 Reply Likes
270. Happy Friday everyone!

Also near as I can tell, HEIF/HEIC support was added to LR CC in mid-October, so call it 135 days ago now. I'll add that to the count :)
Photo of David Sanger (SU2)

David Sanger (SU2)

  • 12 Posts
  • 14 Reply Likes
I don't see that. My iPhone 7plus images are shot in HEIC. If I add them to Lightroom CC they get converted to JPEG on import.
Furthermore if I instead transfer the HEIC file to my MacBook Pro, the desktop version of Lightroom CC cannot see or add them to the catalog.
This  means Adobe really doesn't yet really support the format even in Lightroom CC.
(Edited)
Photo of TheBatman

TheBatman

  • 38 Posts
  • 45 Reply Likes
Ah, so even worse than I thought. Thx.
Photo of Greg Kuhnen

Greg Kuhnen

  • 16 Posts
  • 35 Reply Likes
Yup, nothing like having an "import" perform a lossy compression without telling you.
Photo of TheBatman

TheBatman

  • 38 Posts
  • 45 Reply Likes
277. Happy Friday everyone!

I heard that the Luminar LR competitor might release in mid-May, so let's call it 2 months = 60 days. Might add that to the count, too.
Photo of Jay Stallard

Jay Stallard

  • 28 Posts
  • 8 Reply Likes
From Wikipedia: 
In June 2017, Apple announced support for HEIF in macOS High Sierra and iOS 11 which were released in September 2017.[14][15][16]

Nokia supports the format and has released an open source JavaScript HEIF decoder on GitHub that works in a web browser.[17]

In December 2017, Zoner released an update to its Zoner Photo Studio X program, which is the first Windows application to offer support for HEIF.[18][19][19]

In March 2018, Android P and Microsoft Windows 10 (version 1803 preview, build 17123[20]) introduced support for HEIF.[21]

In April 2018, struktur AG released the open source library "libheif" that supports reading and writing HEIF files, including alpha and depth images, tiled images, thumbnails, sequences, transformations, overlays and EXIF metadata.

In April 2018, ImageMagick added support for reading and writing HEIF files.

In May 2018, GIMP added support for loading and exporting HEIF files.[22]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Image_File_Format

Photo of Greg Kuhnen

Greg Kuhnen

  • 16 Posts
  • 35 Reply Likes
Google's getting in on the act - the next major version of Android (P) will support .heif photos. This has to be on Adobe's radar.