Lightroom Classic: Support for HEIC file format

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Support for HEIC file format was included in Lightroom CC but still is needed in Lightroom Classic.  When will it be added?
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  • Frustrated. Why create file format support in LR CC on launch but not update LR Classic at the same time.

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Please add HEIC support to Lightroom CC Classic!!! Can't use Lightroom to edit pictures from iPhone X!!!
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I woud really really really like Lightroom CC Classic to support the HEIF/HEIC format. Any updates?
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They don't even have support for non-flattened PSD files (without Maximize Compatibility) after all these years. I'm not holding my breath.
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On most iPhones you can use DNG nowadays. Maybe not with the Apple camera app, but there are plenty apps (including Lightroom Mobile) that support this.
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You can't shoot DNG to avoid the problem. Lightroom shoots DNG very poorly. They all are too smeared from hand movements in compare to the standard Camera app.
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So use another app that can shoot in DNG. There are plenty of them.
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BTW, the Lightroom camera app has a 'Professional' setting that allows you to manually adjust things like ISO and shutter speed, so you can avoid hand movement problems.
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You are not right. The standard Camera can eliminate movement problems with THE SAME settings. Just check it. I think Apple uses artificial intelligence and hidden API for that.
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It is just another way Adobe is trying to push us toward the cloud crap. The fact that HEIC support has been added in the LR CC but not in Classic is a clear indication. 
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Er, no, they just hit some bugs that couldn't be fixed in time for release deadlines. It doesn't mean it won't come, but this is brand new tech.
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I suspect a lot of us are watching the next few "Classic" releases very closely. It's quickly going to become clear whether Adobe has effectively abandoned that app.
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It's a small thing, but this encapsulates for me why Adobe's cloud subscription model is such a disappointment. The original promise of moving to the cloud model was so they could add features as they are ready, instead of having to wait for a big "version" release to launch them. Yet that hasn't happened at all ... and in fact the pace of innovation has clearly slowed down massively over the last few years. 

Now, you may argue that the new LR CC is precisely what I'm describing - an auto-updated version that is continually tweaked, just like a web browser - but the fact is that it's not suitable for most of us who have a ton of images in local storage. So effectively Adobe is telling their serious/long-time users to take a hike, all the while putting engineering resources into a copycat of Apple Photos and Google Photos, which nobody will use because if they want that, they are already using Apple Photos or Google Photos.

Sigh. At least can we get HEIC/HEIF support? It already exists in Adobe code, for goodness sake. Ridiculous.

   
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> The original promise of moving to the cloud model was so they could add features as they are ready

New features are added as soon as they're ready. We don't have to wait 18-24 months anymore. Now releases run about every 2 months. This new feature just isn't ready yet.

Don't worry that LRCC is taking resources away from Classic. It's a separate team - just like adding new features to Photoshop doesn't take away from Lightroom's development.
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While we're at it - let's get specific about how HEIC should be supported. The current CC implementation preemptively converts files to jpeg (an unnecessary, lossy conversion) and loses any portrait mode depth maps in the process. That's completely counter to the idea of a non-destructive editing workflow.

I'd like to see HEIC treated like other formats - always use the native file or some lossless conversion of it as the foundation and apply processing on top of that.
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Sounds smart, but mostly as opened in Photoshop, where we could import a depth layer and use it for later postprocessing I guess.
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One example of how this is useful - when I shoot in "Portrait" mode, the blur effect often has problems. Apple's photos app (and potentially others) can turn the depth effect off and salvage the photo. In time, there might even be more interesting things we can do in post.
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Greg, Thanks for taking my basic request (have LR Classic read HEIC like LR CC does) and point out how it really should be implemented. We can only hope that the delay in adding it to LR Classic is due to the time that it takes Adobe how to figure out how to open a HEIC file in a non destructive way and let us work with it.
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Does anyone at Adobe yet have an update to this issue? How is it possible that the default image format of the most used camera in the world is not supported by Adobe's flagship photo cataloging application? 
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Don't worry Steve, now that LR is "cloud" software it can be continually updated! Oh wait, except they have the code for this but it's still not updated. Never mind...
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+1 on this. It's insulting to add support to L-CC and not Classic CC. And a BIG +1 to @gregkuhnen comment about how to support it natively.
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I have looked over the documentation for today's 7.2 update but don't see any reference to HEIC/HEIF support. I can't believe it would have been left out... somebody please tell me I'm wrong.
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The fact this didn't make it into 7.2 is VERY disappointing Adobe. Just hard to reconcile 8 months since the iOS 11 beta where this first became the clear direction for iOS photo & video formats. Adobe dropping ball.
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At the end of the day, it didn't ship in 7.2. Hence, we can all agree it was not prioritized. Now, people can differ on whether that lack of prioritization was reasonable or bat-sh*t crazy. I know which side I fall on and have no doubt I'm right. Others may feel differently. The fact remains that the iphone has (100? 1000? 1M?) times as many users as the latest Nikon/Canon/etc camera, yet those new raw formats get supported quickly and HEIF/HEIC has not. Those who don't like it can vote with their wallets, which is what I'm very close to doing.

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> If Adobe were to actually use the number of votes here to prioritise their development, that would be crazy

Actual votes numbers would be useless, no question, but the percentage of votes on each feature is surprisingly representative of the general feedback. Of course, they don't JUST use this forum. They talk to real people, they talk to influencers who are constantly talking to real people, and they do other research, in addition to the votes here.

Yes, there's technical debt to pay back, but believe it or not, I don't think LR7 is on its last legs. The engineers are more fired up and enthusiastic than I've seen in years. And I've been watching closely for years.
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I'm the only one person that reported the issue that Photoshop CC sometimes but OFTEN prevents mac from going into the sleep mode. I saw the issue on different macs - so, I'm 100% sure that EVERY mac user has the same problem. But you won't fix it, right? Because there are not many upvoters there. And you have courage to ignore issues even with such many upvoters like here.

Link to the bug report: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/bug-report-photoshop-cc-prevents-mac-from-sle...
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Also I can't resist to mention that it took 1 year for Adobe to fix one single little white pixel on the corner of the screen. Do you see how diligently they work? Several people even returned their macs and displays thinking that they purchased defective hardware (me too). But that was just a software pixel from Adobe application. And that was so hard for them to fix!
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I'm unbelievably disappointed that Adobe has deferred this again. The best camera is the one that's always with me. The best photography workflow solution is the one that works with the camera I always have with me. Lightroom now fails. Adobe needs to consider the modern approach to cloud software with "insider" previews and the monthly subscription is now becoming a farce.
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255 days since the WWDC announcement of HEIF. I'll probably use this thread as a running count of how long it's been.
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Maybe they will think better about what issues to fix if all 32 people here cancel their subscription.
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Dmitry

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DNG format from Lightroom for iPhone is extremely poor! JPG and HEIC from native Camera app produce 1,000 times better quality images. They are sharp even on long exposure. DNG isn't sharp at all on the same settings.
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By they way, somebody should post it as the separate issue to Adobe.
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Even so, it looks like Lr users are still preferring the built-in camera and DNG. Here is about the only place where anyone is asking for HEIC support - which will come when it's ready.
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John with respect, it sounds like you don't appreciate the things HEIF enables that JPG and DNG do not (eg, new bounce, loop and time lapse effects available when editing on iphone). Check it out, they are pretty cool.

And whether it gets supported or not should not be a function of this forum. As stated, this is not a feature request (e.g. like dehaze) but rather support for native file formats, which Abode (usually) does automatically. It's not as if the forum was lit up for support for the Pentax *ist D (to pick a deliberately obscure camera whose file format is supported), and yet they did it in a timely manner.
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You're right, I don't appreciate those things, but maybe your comment should apply generally to Lr/iPhone users? Pentax is just another raw format, HEIC/F is a new one and who knows what bugs Adobe hit, or what they may be waiting for? My guess is that the underlying issue may be OS-level support for these formats (just like video depends on the OS), but that is only a guess - and before anyone says it, no, I'm not just pointing the finger elsewhere!
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What is the most disgusting is that they could not even write here: "We are working on the issue".
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Mark Knight

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The official status of the thread is still "Under Consideration" rather than "In Progress".
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Interesting - Skylum Luminar just added native heic support. They'll be on my short list of alternatives if Adobe sends Lightroom into a tailspin.

I *want* Lightroom to get its groove back. The new Sensei auto mode and performance improvements in the last couple of releases are promising additions, it's been a long time since we've seen meaningful features added to the application now branded Classic.
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Agree 100% with this
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Also agreed.
I'm waiting for support so I can import / archive / edit my iPhone photos. I know I can convert them to jpg. But I'll change editors before I do that.
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Adobe -- the time has indeed come.  We need this in Lightroom Classic!
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Add me to the list of users demanding this be supported
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How long has this been "UNDER CONSIDERATION"? or is that new? Big time +1 on this, It's very frustrating.
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You got a chuckle out of me on that one, John. If this is even close to the most immature thing you have seen on the internet, I'd love to know your secret. Secondly, blatant shaming of Adobe, on the proper forum, seems to be the only way to at least try to have them pay attention. If there's a better way I'm all ears. Thirdly, feel free not to follow this thread if it bothers you.
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Well, no number of juvenile posts will "shame" them, especially as it's clearly not a big deal for Lr/iPhone users. As explained a few times, they hit some kind of  bug.
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Yes, well, they've been hitting a lot of them lately ;)
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And, as numbers seem to be in for this thread, that 'as explained a few times' turns out to be ..... in fact .... once.
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Ha ha. I have explained it more than once, Victoria has explained it at least once. But one number does appear to be rising faster than any other - the number of juvenile posts....
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263. Happy Friday everyone!

The waiting is the hardest part
Every day you get one more yard
You take it on faith, you take it to the heart
The waiting is the hardest part
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I find it weird, to say the least, that there's no official announcement about "we are working on it" or "we don't know if we will do it"... 
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all my iPhone photos up to 2017 I can edit in Lightroom Classic, but none of the images once I got the iPhone 7 Plus. I don't use Lightroom CC. Come on Adobe, this standard was written in 2015 . Get with it.
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270. Happy Friday everyone!

Also near as I can tell, HEIF/HEIC support was added to LR CC in mid-October, so call it 135 days ago now. I'll add that to the count :)
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I don't see that. My iPhone 7plus images are shot in HEIC. If I add them to Lightroom CC they get converted to JPEG on import.
Furthermore if I instead transfer the HEIC file to my MacBook Pro, the desktop version of Lightroom CC cannot see or add them to the catalog.
This  means Adobe really doesn't yet really support the format even in Lightroom CC.
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Ah, so even worse than I thought. Thx.
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Yup, nothing like having an "import" perform a lossy compression without telling you.
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277. Happy Friday everyone!

I heard that the Luminar LR competitor might release in mid-May, so let's call it 2 months = 60 days. Might add that to the count, too.
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Google's getting in on the act - the next major version of Android (P) will support .heif photos. This has to be on Adobe's radar.