Elements: Storing People recognition as XMP into the picture/video?

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When using People recognition thisinformation is just stored within the Adobe database.

Why is Adobe not using the XMP standard for writing those information within the picture or even within a sidecarfile?
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Frank

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Ankur Agrawal, Employee

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Frank,

Every software has its own way to do and store the information. Is there specific use of this data that you are pointing to?

-Ankur
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Frank

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Yes,
When staring with tagging of pictures I found out that some products does not work as they promised the producct should work.

There is a specification out there where Adobe is a Member "Metadata Working Group", the set the standard how to insert information within the picture.
(http://www.metadataworkinggroup.org/s...)

I'm just wondering why they work in such a group but not implementing the result within there own products?

Adobe Organizer looks nice and handy but when I do not have the ability of storing those informatione within the picture It is not usable for my collection

About my collection:
> 50000 Pictures
> 1000 Videos
715 different names
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Is there a recommended place in the XMP, EXIF, or IPTC for people?
There are many programs that offer face recognition, so I am wondering if there is a standard place in the metadata for that.
If not, Adobe, or someone in the group must make a suggestion to the whole group in order to implement it. You might as well suggest it to the MWG.
They do not appear in the keywords?
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There is a recomendation where to write the nformation within the files.

See copy out of the specification:
The field namespace is http://www.metadataworkinggroup.com/s...
The preferred prefix is mwg-rs.

For the full specification see:
http://www.metadataworkinggroup.org/p...

You will find all information starting at page:
5.9 Image Region Metadata
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Thanks for the suggestion Frank. Also as a workaround, I would suggest using the option : File > Write Keyword tag and Properties Info to Photos after you are done labeling faces in Elements Organizer. This will write the face data to files as tags...
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Hi,
I have asked the exact same question, some time ago. I agree, face should be written in the xmp. Not only the keywords, but also the face region.
I bought PSE10 for 2 reasons :
- the ability to edit my photos at a reasonable price
- The face tagging function (not to send any face to facebook but to better organize my information within photographs)

I am quite disappointed that PSE 10 do not write back that info into the files. This makes face recognition useless to me.
I would really like to see region tagging implemented.

regards
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Babar_e

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Note that Picasa 3.9 is now embedding the face information into the xmp, using the standard developped by the Metadata Working Group, of which Adobe and Microsoft are members.
Seems that those defining standards are not able to follw them (microsft photo gallery saves the face information using its own implementation, adobe photoshop element store the faces in a database only)
I love adobe products so I hope you will catch up
regards
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I gave a talk at RootsTech in 2012 on Personal Digital Preservation, and talked about the MWG standard for tagging regions (including faces). At the time, I said I didn't know if any software was using it yet. Someone who worked at Adobe raised their hand and said that Adobe Photoshop Elements 10 was using it. It appears he was mistaken, because I don't see any sign of the XMP tags, nor any option for setting them.

Picasa 3.9, on the other hand, does have a preference for storing the face tags in the file. I have yet to see a tag pop out in the XMP data of a file, however, when viewed from, for example, GraphicConverter...
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ray ganong

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would like to see your presentation if you can share a link...
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Randy Wilson

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The white paper that went with my presentation is available online at: http://axon.cs.byu.edu/~randy/pubs/wi...
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Randy Wilson

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And, once you've read that, then the presentation slides might make sense:

http://axon.cs.byu.edu/~randy/pubs/wi...
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ray ganong

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It is strange that Adobe is on the MWG committee and yet none of their products support the face tagging standard - ironic - no?

In addition to Picasa 3.9, Fotobounce 3.9.5 also supports the MWG - XMP standard for face tagging metadata. So Picasa can read those tags.

Fotobounce also supports the Microsoft published XMP standard and as a result MS Photo Gallery can read the tags also.
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Babar_e

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You can also add Photo supreme from idimager, and exiftool, digikam is or will soon support it,...

That is starting to make a lot of competitor that are not from the MWG committee using the MWG standard.
Still Waiting those from the committe to start using their own standards...
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Randy Wilson

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And I have sent several inquiries to the standards body, without ever receiving a reply. Has it been disbanded?