Standalone installer for Lightroom Classic CC needed

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Being able to install and update solely via Adobe Updater makes me & my entire archive of images & catalogs entirely dependent on the continued existence/functioning of the Adobe Updater service but it's not too hard to conceive of it ceasing to be at some point in the future - e.g. Adobe goes under, sells off Lightroom, there's an apocalypse, etc

If that were to happen then how can I be sure that I would be able to obtain a version of Lightroom Classic CC which I can use to read / make use of the catalogs that I'm using/creating right now and in the future?

Therefore I need to be able to obtain standalone/offline installers (which I can
store for safekeeping as I please) so that I can have peace of mind that I will always be able to install them and retrieve/export images from my archived Lightroom catalogs.

Where can I obtain a standalone/offline installer for each new release of Lightroom Classic CC? If not available then Adobe needs to make such installers available, else all our catalogs could be rendered useless in the future due to lack of software availability in the event of a crisis.

(Surely we all have this problem? What are you all doing about it?)
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Just Shot Me

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Make frequent backups of your complete boot/system drive.

I rent LR and PS. If Adobe goes under, which isn't happening any time soon, IMHO, I don't have to pay them anymore. Both LR and PS will work for 90 days without having to verify the license. After that I would need to find new software.

Even if you had the installer if it couldn't verify the license, your Adobe ID, that you have a valid subscription the software would not work, maybe for 7 days and then reduced function.

I think there are better things to spend your time thinking about.

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And if you stop paying Lightroom reverts to a read-only mode allowing you to get your work out, but no longer use the develop module, and some other features. The same should be true with your installed version should Adobe go away and the licence verification mechanism cease to exist.
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Yes, my point is that relying on having a working copy of Lightroom already installed somewhere doesn't help me if for some reason future I need to install Lightroom again (e.g. new laptop / after a catastrophic Windows meltdown & reinstall) - I then need access to a working installer otherwise I'm screwed.
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And you do with the CC DTA and an internet connection. If you have some type of malfunction with your computer and need to reinstall you'll need more than just a LR install package. 
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No, that's the point, I need to be able to just install a standalone installer without needing to contact Adobe CC servers online (they might be down / under attack / not exist any more), it would just leave be in readonly mode until I can log in to CC (if ever), which is much better than nothing.

And such installers do exist, another respondent has provided the link https://helpx.adobe.com/download-install/kb/creative-cloud-apps-download.html but it's 6 months out of date so it's not currently being actively maintained but hopefully Adobe will soon update it to make an LR v8 installer available.
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I agree. Having a stand alone installer would not solve anything that cannot be solved by making backups. And if Adobe or Lightroom cease to exist, it would do nothing either. With or without that installer Lightroom would fall back to ‘expired’ mode after the appropriate grace period
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Read only is all I want - I'm only worried about maintaining the ability to read catalog files & export images, without that all the changes I've ever made in Lightroom would be lost (representing thousands of hours of my time) and I would only have the original RAW files, back to square one.
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Thank you, that's exactly what I want, except that it hasn't been updated since June so that's v7.0.1 and I just upgraded all my catalogs to v8 so they would be unreadable if I installed v7.0.1 in future.

But all it would take is for Adobe to update the page on a regular basis as LR and other products are updated and that would be perfect!
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PS - it's the same as I'd already found at https://prodesigntools.com/adobe-cc-2018-direct-download-links.html and they hint that Adobe might (if so it's long overdue) be working on an updated set of installers but of course I'd rather get the files direct from Adobe than a 3rd party site.
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No, Lightroom Classic 8 did not upgrade your catalog. It's not really a major upgrade, but just a version number change.
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Aha, yes, you're right, it's the "Process Version" that's important and that's still v5 in LR Classic CC 8! :)
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No, the process version and catalog version are two different things. Until Lightroom Classic V8, each major upgrade of Lightroom did require a catalog upgrade. Even if the process version did not change.

Lightroom Classic V8 was not a major upgrade however. It was basically just Lightroom Classic V7.6, but for some reason Adobe chose the change the version number to a full new number anyway.
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I read the first edition of Peter Krogh's The DAM Book around 2004.  it really changed the way I think about my digital asset organization tremendously.  A key point that he made was that we need to plan for the fact that whatever tools we use today for organization are either going to go away  at some point or something better is going to come along.  Peter referred to it as "serial monogamy".  Essentially we're married to one system until we move onto whatever is next.  Knowing that means you need to make sure that your images themselves contain the data that is needed for organization.  Make sure your metadata (including edit info) is stored within the image file in a standardized way so that another system is likely to be able to read and use it.  If all of that info exists ONLY in the Lightroom catalog and Lightroom goes away for whatever reason.... then yes, you're in a world of hurt.  

Make a habit of saving data to the images themselves often... especially before something is moved to a long term storage part of you archive.  Lightroom does a good job of adhering to industry standards in terms of how most data is stored within images (or related xml files).  If for some reason you find yourself with only images an no useable catalog anymore, you're likely to find another solution that can recognize the work you've already done.

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Hmmm, yes if you need to sign in before installing then that won't work.

However, I've just run the installer for LR Classic CC 7.01 and it starts installing straightaway without a prompt which seems promising, but then again I'm doing that on a machine that already has LR Classic CC 8 installed so it's possible the 7.01 installed is detecting LR/CC and skipping a step it would otherwise show me. I need to test on another (virtual) machine to be sure either way and I can't do that right now but I'll put it on my todo list.

As for "saving the developments within the file" can you please elaborate, as I'm aware that if you convert to DNG during import it can store a fullres preview within the file, but that's only as it was at the point of conversion, not continually updated with the latest changes. Am I missing something? Or do you mean that you convert to DNG *after* you've done all the editing, so the DNG reflects that state?
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I import dng and so edit in dng... then menu > Update DNG Previews and Metadata.

It saves the current state of the file in the jpg preview (size as chosen in preferences) this will show if you view the dng file outside of lightroom, if the app is set to show embedded previews first before decoding the raw.. (raw data remains intact)
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You can update DNG previews any time.  There's menu item for that under the Develop menu.  Its not auto updated as its a fairly processor intensive process as opposed to just saving edit settings to the file.  Some software will read and apply the settings to the image they show.  Other software needs an accurate stored preview.  I try to makes sure previews are updated before files get put into a long term archive.
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Thank you both very much, I'll adopt that approach going forwards from now on as it will certainly help mitigate the kinds of future scenarios that I'm concerned about, though I will still pursue the standalone installer approach further too.
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PS - Confusingly, the menu item "Update DNG Previews and Metadata" actually moves between menus... when in Library mode it's found in the "Metadata" menu, and when in Develop mode it's found in the "Photo" menu!
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If your CC subscription lapse for example, you will still be able to open Lightroom catalog in "read only" mode. It just that certain part of the Lightroom functionality (such as Develop, Map, sync) would be disabled.
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Yes, but that's nothing to do with the issue I'm posting about - I want to be sure that if in 10 years' time Adobe is gone (and the CC servers with it) I can still install LR Classic on a new machine and read my catalogs, else everything I've ever done in LR will be lost and all I will have is the RAW files as they came off the camera.
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I understand your concern, I had it too. But you still need to login before install.... and if in 10 years' time Adobe is gone (and the CC servers with it) ??

Insted of having a false sense of security, why not download, disconnect from internet to simulate Adobe gone and try install before waiting for the future to find out your keeping useless installers.

Also take into consideration that in ten yrs time the operating system may not support legacy programs....

My answer to the same concern was to shoot dng, edit dng, save adjustments to files and archive.
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Yes, I do need to test the installer, as I said in the other comment. And I'm pretty sure there will always be emulators / virtual machines which can run WIndows 10, but the bit about "saving adjustments to files" interests me as an additional way of future-proofing - but do you manually export to a second set of DNGs or can you ensure that the DNGs you are automatically/batch updated with the latest preview? (If the latter, then how?)

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Yes the latter... see my answer above.... go look up "Update DNG Previews and Metadata"
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In the Lightroom Preferences>File Handling>Import DNG Creation>JPEG Preview, you can specify the size of the embedded JPEG preview for your need (there is a similar setting for the Convert to DNG and export to DNG commands.