PHOTOSHOP CC 2015 serious artboard problems for UI designer

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Photoshop CC 2015 artboard issues.
Two distinct problems I am experiencing with artboards.

1. "Layer 1" on first new artboard is able to be deleted after adding a vector shape rectangle. But then the rectangle cannot be deleted. If I add another artboard to the same canvas it doesn't have this extra "layer 1".


2. The white area defining a new artboard from "file/new" is smaller by a total of 2 pixels. If i create a non artboard canvas and then "create artboard from layers" this issue doesn't occur.
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Hi James,

#1 is an artifact of Photoshop's behavior of not being able to delete the last layer in a document. When an artboard doc is opened, the "layer 1" is there until you add something else, and then layer 1 becomes whatever it is that was added (maybe a rectangle in this case).

#2 is a bug, one that we have fixed and hope to release soon. For what it's worth, it's completely cosmetic, and won't effect any of the content, it's just annoying :(

If those issues are impacting your workflow, let me know and I'd love to hear more about it.
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#1 definitely has an impact on my workflow. I think when setting up multiple artboards first - say for a responsive website - and one of those artboards behaves or looks different than the others, it creates a usability problem. Also, when setting up multiple artboards, "layer 1" doesn't get turned into anything, it just sits there looking like an extra layer in "artboard1"

It would make more sense if that "layer 1" that is automatically added to "artboard 1" would be outside the artboard layer group and represent the entire canvas - not that first artboard. This way all the artboard groups would be consistent in that they would all be empty. I am doing this manually as a workaround and locking it once moved so i don't delete it.

#2 is not a huge problem, and i figured it was a bug. My workaround here is to add a solid color layer adjustment to the artboard.

thanks for the response.
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Hi Joel.
How about duplicating a layer inside an artboard and it always stacks on top of the artboard itself? Wasn't it supposed to be stacked on top of the layer that I duplicated?

Since I started using artboards that I always have to drag newly duplicated layers back to the right position because it seems to me that's a bug.

Can you enlighten me in that sense, please?
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Having the same issue and it's super frustrating... The duplicated layer should be just above (or even just below) the original layer not at the top of the full stack for sure.
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Thanks for the feedback James, will discuss this with our design team.

Joao, how big is the layer? If the dimensions are mostly outside the artboard, it will be nested outside the artboard. If the dimensions are mostly inside the artboard, then it will be nested inside the artboard.

For duplicating artboards, I recommend using opt+drag to duplicate on the canvas rather than the menu commands for the time being. But we do have a fix ready for duplicating artboards with the menu commands that will improve the experience, it should be available soon!
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Joel, why should it matter how large the layer dimensions are? If I drag a layer into a particular artboard (or duplicate to a new one) I would expect it to stay there until I explicitly move it.
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Re-nesting is core to the functionality of Artboards. It can be turned off if not desired, but artboards will re-nest unless specified otherwise. If, for example, you have a very large layer that overlaps multiple artboards, it will be nested into the artboard that it is mostly contained in. We are looking at some layer-locking options though to avoid mistakenly nesting layers. A locked layer would never re-nest if locked in this future scenario.
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It's not that.
I attached a GIF to illustrate the issue.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3...
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Thanks Joao,

For CC 2015 we changed the behavior of how new layers are added to a group. Previously the behavior was that a new layer is put at the bottom of the stack of layers. Now, a new layer is added to the top of the layer order. When you duplicate the layer it is added to the top of the layers grouped within your targeted artboard. This is because artboards act as a special type of layer group.

Would you prefer that the layer only appear at the top of the local group in which it's duplicated?
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I think it makes most sense to have the new copied layer show up immediately above the source layer.
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Hey there!

Please please please! Can we have the option to choose between the layer duplication positioning rules? Previously if you duplicated a layer or group it would place the duplicated element above the selected layer or "selected" group. Now it seems to place it at the top of the artboard layer group which is extremely annoying. Especially if you work with a large number of layers & groups within a given artboard. This is compounded if you are sharing layers / groups between files. Can we please have the option between the 2 rules of functionality please!
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Hi Jamie,

Would you need an option, or would it be best to just send the duplicated layer to the top of the source group? Are there any cases in which you would not want that behavior? (sending the new layer to the top of the source group)
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Hey Joel,

I think just sending it to above the selected source layer, or if it's a group directly above the selected group would be best. I think any action that overrides where you are in a layer stack is a bad idea.

As inserting or duplicating to a specific point within a stack is extremely important as layers and their properties can affect the view / effects / layer styles above & below of each other.

Having to constantly re-order layers to create the correct stack you are after will be time consuming & highly unproductive.
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So True - please fix :)
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I agree completely... If you're manipulating a layer in the group, it makes sense to keep the focus right where the interaction took place, rather than forcing you up to the top of a group or the whole document. If the user wants to move the duplicated layer after the duplication, let them, but I can think of zero times that I've copied a layer and wished that copy were all the way at the top of my layers palette.
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YES. This just happened to me and I thought Photoshop had lost its mind. I need full manual control over my layers. Every time I nudged a type layer I'd glance over and see it had hopped out of order and jumped to the top of the stack. I'd put it back in proper layer order, nudge again, and somehow it would automatically jump to the top again. That's total chaos in a multi-layer file.
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This is good feedback everyone, thanks for sending. We are actively discussing this as a team and looking at these use cases to improve the experience. Stay tuned!
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I am having serious issues with the artboard not showing the right and bottom border.
Also when I draw images, they replicate - making the entire program basically useless.
What is going on with this upgrade?
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Maxine, is it a CMYK document, and do you have your GPU set to advanced in preferences?
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Thanks for your prompt response.
This is an simple Web RGB 1024x768 - 72ppi
GPU off with no options available
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just rebooted and still get this message.
Everything was working fine until it upgraded
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What are your hardware specs?
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I think I'm experiencing a related issue that camp up while trying to crop an artboard or otherwise change it's size. I've found that if I export to a jpg and then crop it works as expected. If I try the same crop while in the original psd it doesn't seem to want to commit to the the crop or instead crops random layer elements. Feels like its related to the original issue of not being able to remove a rectangle.
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Hi Adam, Artboard documents are meant to be infinite. The documents auto expand as you add content, and auto shrink as you remove content. If trying to change the size of an artboard, select it first and you will see handles around the edges to resize it. Alternatively, you can select an artboard and change it to one of the preset sizes in the tool options bar.
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Has anyone had issues with font sizes? I had an artboard of 750x2000, I used the area outside of the artboard for my assets - screen grabs swatches etc.

Fonts needed to be about 50pt to look right on the artboard, but when I dragged those fonts to a normal PS doc they changed to 18pt?

I even tried using character styles, but they did the same thing, they kept changing.
Spent 2 days trying to fix it, eventually just abandoned the artboard and went to the normal canvas
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More layer behaviour problems :¬(

If I drag an element onto the document from another PSD, or from a different application it now drops it at the top of the artboard's layers. It was WAAAAAAAYYYY better before, when I could select a layer and the next item that gets dropped onto that document sits right above it.

When you have a document with hundreds of layers, it's really annoying to have to scroll to the top of the layers then hunt around for where you were in order to drop that layer in the right place.
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I find it quite annoying too.
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Are there any updates with the duplicate layer issue?

This is very annoying.
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Yes, it is fixed and will be available very soon.
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I am having a similar issue, but not exactly the same as above. I am attempting to have two artboards right next to each other and trying to line up graphics that are half on one and half on the other, so when I export the graphics line up. When I move a layer outside of any artboard and move it down where it is on 3/4 Right artboard and 1/4 Left, my graphic automatically pops into the artboard group that is 3/4 even though I just moved it out of the any artboard.

I thought I was supposed to be allowed to keep stuff outside of the arboard bounds so it does not crop my graphics?

I need to be able to see outside of the crop to properly line things up, and then be able to move it into the correct artboard without losing that exact position.
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I figured out a little workaround by making another artboard that is large enough to contain all the other artboards I'm working in. Making that the very top artboard in the layers palette ensures that what I have in there will not "snap" into the other artboards because it never actually leaves the "global" artboard.