replacing it with the "Select and Mask" tool.
A) This new tool for masking does not perform very well,
extremely show, ties up the whole system, it is worse than the introduction of
the original version of the Refined Edge tool.
B) No refined edge capability, to brush in detail, or it
does not work.
C) This "Mask and Select" Tool incorporated into
5.5 without notification to the user, Adobe's customer. I found this change in the middle of doing
an edit, Thanks alot Adobe!
D) Restore the old tool or give us your customer an option
to use the old or new tool.
I have been an Adobe user for over 16 years, I have struggled with the Cloud products
being reliable. Very unhappy and
A few other follow up questions:
A) Is your video card driver up to date? The Select and Mask results utilize the GPU so if there is an issue there, you may notice sluggish responsiveness.
B) The Refine Edge Brush in Select and Mask provides edge refinement capability. Similar to Refine Edge, select the bulk of the image first and utilize the refine edge brush where additional background details need to be extracted.
Thank you for looking into the Photoshop CC 5.5 Quick Selection / Refine Edge problem.
Here is my system configuration:
Windows 7 Pro 64-bit fully up to date
Video Driver is up to date
This is a Puget Systems build:
Motherboard - ASUS P6X58D
CPU - Intel Core i7 Quad Core 950 3.06GHz
RAM - 12GB DDR3-1333 4096MB
Video Card - EVGA GeForce GTX 460 1GB
"C" Drive - Samsung 512GB 850 PRO SSD
"E" Drive - Intel 120GB SSD used for images being edited only
"C" SSD has 392GB free space allocated for cache along with a 2TB HHD with 1TB of free space.
There are several additional 1 & 2TB HDDs in the system where original RAW and JPEG files are stored and where edited images are stored, LR library, etc.
I work with three different cameras, one a Nikon P900
"Bridge" shoots only JPEG, a Canon 5D Mark II, and a Pentax K-1 which
both shoot RAW and JPEG. About 90% of my images start as RAW files from the
All images are post processed in Lightroom then exported as tiff files regardless of JPEG or RAW. 95% of my work is landscape, 3% birds and 2% portrait head shots. Edited images in process range from 1.5GB to 8GB or more on occasion. These files will have multiple layers (10 to 20) and channel masks ( 5 to 20). I will usually flatten the edited images and start a new file edit when additional editing is required from the above parameters. I have printed flatten files for panoramas that are 1.17GB for a 24" by 103" onto canvas for a wrapped 18" 96" finished work.
I have used the pre PS 5.5 masking tool the on about all my edits. In January 2016 after loading a PS CC up-date I had a very sluggish Quick Selection / Refine Edge tool. This was corrected via Adobe support's help by the resetting of preferences. So I am reasonably aware of these settings requirements.
With the introduction of PS CC 5.5 the problems started.
The tool was extremely slow, brush position and mask, marching ants, were extremely displaced, having to wait a second or more to see the results of the brush movement. The slowness of the tool made it just about useless. The use of the "Alt" key to subtract or refine the mask was non functional. At some point the action of the "Alt" key seamed to be reversed, adding rather then subtracting from the mask
July 16.201, today, I selected an image and reduced its size to a more workable image in an attempt to do addition testing of the tools.
The 5.5 Quick Selection Tool does a pretty good job of keeping up with and following the brush position although it misses areas to be masked. Brushing over the missed areas does nothing to improve the mask, nothing happens other than waiting for the MS timer to complete.
Turning on "Select and Mask" and "Edge Detection" with the brush showing a "+" and brushing over the missed area of the image removes the mask where it was previously masked but does not do anything to add to the mask. The clear area created by the brushing overlap is not re-masked either. The "rotating" MS timing wheel operates but no masking results. Even small brush strokes take a second or more of the MS spinning wheel to complete with no masking results.
Upper left corner of the "Edge Detection" menu "+", "-", "%", and "Sample All Layers" :
With "+" selected, 100% and "Sample All Layers" ON or OFF the brush clears areas of the mask from the image, "wheel" spins but nothing changes, cleared area is still clear.
Changing from "-" and "Sample All Layers" ON or OFF adds color to the mask but just shows the brush stroke and does not refine or change the mask. This takes 4 to 6 seconds of MS wheel spin to do nothing from a simple short brush stroke.
The controls on the right side of the "Edge Detection" menu seem to be partially functional as follows:
View is select-able
Opacity is select-able
Edge Selection switched sub-menu On/OFF select-able
Show Edge - switches
Show Original - switches
Radius - select-able
Smart Radius - select-able
Global Refinement NOT TESTED, but does not seem to function
Clear Selection - Fills entire image with mask ("+" / "-" upper left has no effect) Brush strokes have no effect either.
Further on the menu window for the "Edge Detection" tool in the
upper right corner the "Minimize", "Full Screen", and
"Delete/Close" button icons are non functional. The
"OK" and "Cancel" buttons lower right corner are
I use two monitors to do editing, one monitor has the image displayed and the second monitor has all of the PS tools I have selected and arrange into a "Work Space". When the "Edge Selection" is selected the "Edge Selection" page/menu fills the second screen replacing the PS work space, v.s. the concise menu for the old version. The type size on the "Edge Selection" menu page, even filling the monitor, is so small to be almost un-readable even using a very strong magnifying glass. With the minimize button non operation cannot do anything with this menu screen.
Attached is a copy of the image I used to test the tool. The old Quick Selection tool would have masked most of the flowers and stocks in the left 1/3 of the image and with the Refine Edge tool probably made a very usable mask. On my system the lower left flowers and stocks were not masked at all in version 5.5.
I still have the old Quick Selection Tool, prior to PS CC 5.5 on my laptop so I can actually compare the two different versions. The laptop has a much lower specification than the desk machine and both are of the same age. Runs Win 7 Home 64-bit.
The inability to use the Quick Selection / Selection Mask tool is extremely frustrating as I have grown to depend upon the previous version of the tool.
If there is addition information you would like I might be able to provide.
Appreciate any help to make it work!
It simply does not work:
• Once I click anywhere, it messes up the whole mask, creating blocks and blurs everywhere.
• By comparison, the new "refined mask/edge" is way worse than in the original (working) tool.
• I have work on a new 9.000€ Mac Pro and this tool is slow as on a Commodore 64.
Who the hell had the idea to put these tools together in a separate workspace anyway?
It's just not a very good idea?!
Read the posts everywhere on this site!!! No one wants extra "workspaces" for Tools!!!
Everyone wants tools like Liquify, Motion Blur and most of the other Filters (actually ALL OF THEM) to work directly in the main window. Like every new Software out there seems to be able to do (Affinity Photo, Pixelmator, ...)
I am using Photoshop for nearly 16 years now and it's always the same for the last at least 7 years of them. You should be ashamed of what you're doing because it seems, you only aim for graphic designers and "layout-quality". Most of the stuff you add, simply looks or works poorly in Hi-Res and therefore can DEFINITELY NOT be used in a professional workflow.
Retouchers and other people, who work with Hi-Res Files - all over the world are left alone and your response to that was:
"Retouchers are not even on our top list of users!"
It makes me sad, that there is no alternative for professional users out there and I desperately hope,
that some other company adds those 3-6 missing features, so we can finally switch.
Get you stuff together...
Don't be like Apple, who once created professional products but then became a lifestyle company to gain market share...
- If you turn ON Smart Radius, it creates a uniform Edge Detection as it always has.
- But once you turn OFF Edge Detection, and also turn off Smart Radius, there is still an automatic Edge Detection showing up.
- So there doesn't seem to be a way to remove the Edge Detection Radius once you turn it on, unless I'm missing something.
- I have tried it on multiple machines, and get the same results.
The new onion view mode is nice, if it worked. But for me it only works on the thumbnail, not on the large preview.
If I do a selection before entering the Select and Mask tool, the selection is not visible with the Onion view mode.
The refine edge brush doesn't work either. It doesn't add to the selection I have done. I've used the old refine edge tool a lot before, so I know how it should work.
And when using the refine edge brush, PS crashes from time to time.
I'm running Win 10 Pro 64-bit and Adobe Photoshop Version: 2015.5.1 20160722.r.156 2016/07/22:23:00:00 CL 1083377 x64
If you're using the Quick Mask tool, it "learns" from your selections. The closer the edges are to the background, the more difficult the selection will be and the more frequently it will jump outside the subject, but as you hold down the Option/Alt key to deselect the outside, it will start to learn and increasingly keep it to the inside. One thing that throws off new users is seeing the selection temporarily jump outside after you think you've "taught" it. If you just wait a moment, though, it will change the selection and rein it back in to the subject. So don't be in a big hurry to correct it. Wait until the selection stays still, and then deselect the outside, or reselect the inside. With many images, it will only go so far before the last bits are beyond it, and then you have to switch tools.
You might find the Quick Mask tool in the main window does a slightly better job of making that initial selection, so if you're having a lot of trouble even after teaching it what's inside and what's outside, you might consider starting there and entering S&M with an active selection just to refine it.
The main issue I've found with S&M has been with the Refine Edge tool itself. It too often makes the edges worse, not better.
i normaly make a selction i then try to "refine". it is a waste of time with this new version.
before this new crap tool was released the refine edge tool sometimes helped me make better selections.
but this new tool is completely useless. the coder should be fired for incompetence.
when i make a pre selection and then start "select and mask".... the refine edge brush tool is destroying my good masking.
it can ́t even separat a skintone (for example an arm) from a blue background, without selecting some of the blue or missing some of the arm (making parts of the formerly perfectly masked arm semi transparent).
i always get so angry when i try this tool... it ́s as if nobody at adobe actually uses the crap they code.