Lightroom: LR5 Second Monitor initially not rendering image clearly.

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In LR 5, the image in my second monitor renders blurry as if the photo is out of focus although the image is clear as a bell in the main editing screen. If I click off lens corrections, and then reactivate it, the second monitor window clears up and renders the photo clearly.
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For me this happens in LR 5.2 RC, and I can change any of quite a few settings (not just lens corrections) and the image re-renders clearly.
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I noticed this in LR 5.2 final version and it specifically happens in the develop module:
With a newly imported photograph:

Go in "Library" module and choose "Loupe" on the second screen
Zoom at 1:1: you can see a high resolution image
Switch to "Develop" module while keeping the 1:1 zoom image on the second screen: the image goes in low resolution.

The problem occurs with 9 over 10 photographs. Sometimes, it will be solved by switching between Libray and Develop back and forth, but not always.
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I am observing the same problem randomly
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I confirm the workflow as you describe it. Following your script I went through ten photos with the same result.

Even after switching back and forth between Library and Develop mode several times, the image on the second monitor is NEVER as sharp as the one on the primary screen while in the Develop module.

The rule for me from now on will be to only trust the Primary monitor while in the Develop module. The secondary monitor will NEVER present a true image in the Develop module.
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Me too. I can get the image to update correctly by fiddling with any Detail slider. It then updates immediately.
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I made a post in the Adobe forums about this.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/5837287
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I can observe the same bug. It doesn't happen all the time, though. Only when in zoomed in state on the primary display.

I have also noticed that zooming out and then zooming in again on the secondary display doesn't fix the problem (the image remains soft) if I have zoomed in on the primary display. However, the problem never happens when I'm in a zoomed out state on the primary display : in that case, the zoomed in image on the secondary display becomes shortly soft while browsing and then immediately sharp again.
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This issue can be demonstrated on systems with a single monitor:

http://forums.adobe.com/message/58361...

I see can confirm the problem on my Windows 7 SP1 system with LR5.2 Final.

Someone with a dual-monitor system should try LR5.3 RC to see if the issue still exists. If so report it at that the LR5.3 RC Blog site here:

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjourn...
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This issue is present on my installation as well. There are two things going on...

LR 5.2
Win 8.1 / 64
Desktop two Dell 2007 monitors
Invidia 560
16GB Ram
i7 processor

1) When in Library Mode the second monitor image is the same as the primary monitor. At resolutions of 2:1 or higher the pixels on both monitors are visible. When this is changed to the Develop Module the pixels on the second monitor are homogenized. It is very obvious at resolutions of 4:1 or higher.

This implies that the image on the second monitor is not the same as the one being shown on the primary monitor at the critical point of editing and performing adjustments.

If this were being done during slide shows or browsing it would be alright. If it worked!

2) However, it is only occurring when brousing in the Develop Module. This is a common practice after importing files to a folder, and going from one image to the next. When zoomed in and moving to the next file it displays blurry.

Judging from the actions described in previous posts this is because the second monitor is building an interpolated version of the image on the primary monitor. If that is not recognized as being at a high resolution, then the interpolated image will be interpolated from a thumb nail.

Go to this forum for more detail.

http://forums.adobe.com/message/5839149#5839149

Just stop the interpolation nonsense and use the real file! Easier for you better for us.
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same problem 3 monitors here. you make a change in develop and boing sharp image again
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In LR 5.2 I open a foto in develop and loupe mode and get a sharp picture on the first monitor while on the second monitor the picture is not sharp. It only gets sharp after I do some manipulation for example change the clarity.

If I switch the monitors (first monitor now second and second now first) the same thing happens; so the problem belongts to LR and not to the monitor configuration.
I am using Win8 and calibrated EIZO Monitors.

It is very annoying first to have to edit the picture before getting it sharp on the second monitor.
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Are you rendering 1:1 Previews on Import and rebuilding the 1:1 Previews after editing the images?

I see no issues on the secondary display when using the Crop tool with my Win 7 system. It my be a problem unique to the Fuji X-Trans raw files.
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I always wait for the 1:1 previews to complete before I start reviewing.
How do you "rebuild the 1:1 previews after editing"?
I'm also noticing lately, was probably there before, that when I crop the second monitor does not accurately render the crop until I leave the crop tool - it's out sometimes by 100s of pixels. Also inconvenient, especially when doing a close cropping.
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Select ALL (CTRL + A) in the folder that you are editing images in and go to Library> Previews> Build 1:1 Previews. It will only rebuild the previews for images that have changes, so no worries with ALL is selected.

I don't see the crop issue, but then I'm not using a true dual monitor system (just a 2nd window). Maybe others with dual-monitors have this issue?
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Thanks!
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Todd I rebuilt 1:1 previews for set of images and still had blurry views on 2nd monitor when in develop mode. Only by going back to library mode did the image on the 2nd monitor go sharp, and then stayed sharp for that one image. Library mode seeming to temporarily "reset" to the clear image. As soon as changing images in develop mode, the 2nd monitor went blurry again. I'm running LR 5.3 on Win7 64 bit. Can you confirm? Thanks.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
LIGHTROOM Second Monitor is not the true image in develop module..


Give me my pixels back!!!

The second monitor issue is a real pain. It is not even good as a presentation monitor for clients which was a nice way for them to talk and not have to look over my shoulder. Now I don't dare have them look at the second monitor image because it is just not at all accurate.

When in Develop mode it is soft. If zoomed in to 2:1 or higher there is NO pixelation! I want to see the true Image not a "rendering" of the image. This is a tool for editing, cataloging, presenting, printing, etc.... Decisions are being made based on what is on the screen.

I shoot RAW and edit in this tool because I want to have that control. If I wanted to relinquish control I would shoot jpg.

The same goes for this software. I want to see the true image down to the pixels, and not the software representation of the image.

It can't be that difficult to simply use the same image on two monitors. It is most likely easier to do than re-construct the image in an interpolated resolution for a second monitor.
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The problem still exists in version 5.3 RC. I installed it this week to check. Reading all your feedback, I am now a bit worried about the fact that we may not see on the second monitor the true image, but only whatever Lightroom manages to display.

Of course, for photographers, being as truthful to the original file as possible is paramount?
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Stephane,

Being truthful to the original file? That is a tough one. I think I understand your point and I totally agree. The image on the second monitor should be pixel for pixel the same image as the primary monitor.

We are talking about the Develop module of an editing and cataloging software. So obviously editing is major part of this software's basic functionality. Since starting to use this software I have had very little reason to go into Photoshop for any adjustments.

The concept of using a RAW editor vs. a Pixel editor is not lost on me. The advantages are huge. BUT, I don't want to be fooled by a "Bait and Switch" after realizing the adjustments presented on the second monitor are not what I get with the REAL file.
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Same thing here LR 5.3 for Mac :-(
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Anyone who has this issue should add their comments on the LR5.3 RC Blog here:

http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjourn...
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Problem still there in version 5.3.
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Yes, still in 5.3 :)
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
LIGHTROOM Dual Monitor Problem: photo blurred on second Monitor.


I am using LR5 with dual monitors and recognize that the second monitor shows the picture blurred in the Loupe mode. I could not find a way to get the foto on the second monitor as sharp as it is shown on the first monitor.

If I switch the monitors (first monitor now second and second now first) the same thing happens; so the problem belongts to LR and not to the monitor configuration.
I am using Win8 and calibrated EIZO Monitors.

Somebody else reported the same problem with LR 5.2; so I ask you to test LR 5.2 in a dual monitor configuration and correct this very annoying problem. Thank you.
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Working with 5.3 a bit more, I think it's better than 5.2 was.

If I am in Develop module, and I view on second monitor at 100%, and then switch to another photo, the photo renders accurately much of the time. Not all of the time, but much of the time.

Still, the rendering can take time. The annoying thing is that just moving the detail slider causes it to render correctly IMMEDIATELY. So, I don't believe this is a processing / CPU issue. In any event, I have a high-end Windows 7 setup.
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I'm seeing the same issue. In LR 5.3 the image on the second monitor is blurry compared to the same image on the primary monitor. Has anyone found a work-around? Do we know if Adobe is aware and if they are working on a fix? Thanks.
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Seems to be in develop mode only. If going back to library mode the image goes sharp and then stays sharp in develop for THAT image. However, when switching to another image in develop mode, that new image then goes blurry. This is with LR 5.3 on Win7 64-bit.
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The issue was present on my single monitor Windows 7 64 bit system with LR5.2, but NOT with LR5.3. At 1:1 view in the Develop module the secondary display loupe image (set to ~1920x1080) takes 4 to 5 seconds to stabilize and it always looks as sharp as the Library module. Since I'm not using an actual dual-monitor system the problem may still exist, but clearly something has changed for the better with LR5.3 on my system.

Try this test. Copy and paste 5-10 raw images that exhibit the issue into a new folder using Windows Explorer. Import the new folder into LR and let it build the 1:1 Previews. Don't apply any other Develop settings to the images. Do you still see the secondary display softness with these images when browsing at 1:1 view in the Develop module?
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Tried what you suggested Todd. After re-importing 10 raw images as new and having 1:1 previews built on import I am still seeing cases where the 2nd monitor in develop mode shows a blurry versus sharp image. By switching to library and back to develop, the 2nd monitor will show a sharp image. But then when browsing within develop mode, it reverts back to blurry at times. It's as if develop mode is pulling the wrong preview at times. You even see cases if you watch carefully where the 2nd monitor images IS initially sharp in develop and then pops back to the blurry image. This is very strange and frustrating. Now I can't trust what's shown on my 2nd monitor w/o double checking what is "real" versus this strange display anomaly. I started to delete a whole bunch of "soft" images using 2nd monitor and luckly found this issue first. I don't recall this with LR 5.2, although others have been reporting something similar way back to LR 4.x.
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When browsing images in the Develop module it may take over 5 seconds for the image to stabilize. on the secondary display.

What happens if you select 'Live' from the top toolbar in the secondary display. I just tried this and I can review the images at 1:1 real-time by running the cursor over the filmstrip at the bottom of LR. Looks like a pretty quick way to review 1:1 sharpness of multiple images. I'm not sure what the difference is if any - It looks the same as the Develop Loupe view to me!
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I also tried the Live option, and it's interesting. Yes, when you mouse over a photo in the filmstrip it displays at full resolution on the second window, but select that photo, and it blurs and does not go back to full resolution.

The simplest way to force full resolution is to go to the Details tool. This on its on is sometimes enough, but otherwise, move the sharpening slider one notch and move it back and full resolution happens immediately. At least, that's how it is for me (Win 7).

Doesn't this indicate that the issue is actually quite a trivial one? Internally, some trigger is perhaps looping on a re-display.
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PS, thanks for the tip about the Live option. I never knew / noticed it and it's very useful!
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Live mode in the 2nd display appears to use preview data from different files than the Library previews. What's peculiar is that if the Library previews need updating it slows down Live mode when browsing and the 'Loading' icon appears. If I click on the image to lock it in the film strip and then switch to the Library module the 'Loading' icon pops up again, which indicates the 'Live' view Develop preview is in a different cache.

This was confirmed when I noticed one of the images looked different (sky color less deep blue) in the Library module and it did not build a new preview. I had to manually select 'Discard 1:1 Previews' and then 'Build 1:1 Previews.' Then the Library preview matched the Develop preview image perfectly.



I am also on a Windows 7 64 bit system and LR5.3 behaves fairly well concerning this issue. When browsing at 1:1 Zoom view in the Develop module I see the softness issue about every 25 or more images and then it seems to stick for one or two more and go away. Since it "comes and goes" so quickly I really can't troubleshoot what's happening.
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This is also confirmed by the fact the image in develop mode never shows pixels.

Try this.
Select an image in the Library module.
Open the Loupe view in the second monitor.
Zoom in to 8:1 on both screens or until the pixels are large and defined.
Now switch to Develop module.

The pixels on the primary monitor are still well defined while the image on the second monitor is homogenized.

Lesson: Don't Trust the Image on the Second Monitor.... it is a fake, an interpretation, an interpolated foney.
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Still not resolved in LR5.3. This whole LR5 story is a farce. Can't believe I can't trust my external monitor that's connected on my Surface Pro 2.
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Hi everybody,
I have the same problem in LR 5.3 and Mac OS 10.9.2. Using two monitor is a very important feature and it's unusable with this refresh problem which make a blurry image.
Please correct this quickly !
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I see it randomly also, on W7/64.
Not practical when I rely on the 1:1 view on second monitor.