Saving files in Lightroom corrupts keywords applied in Bride CS6 (and CS5, CS4...)

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I have had this problem in previous versions of Bridge, and really hoped someone at Adobe had listened and corrected it, or could tell me how to stop it from happening. Or anyone for that matter.

As I outlined almost a year ago , when adding keywords to RAW (NEF) or DNG images in Bridge, I have it set to NOT ADD parent keywords (which are in brackets[ ]), and if I open that image into Photoshop, it displays keywords correctly. The only weird thing it does is display "United States" as united States (small u) even though it is capitalized correctly in Bridge keywords.

But, if I then go back to Lightroom, which is supposed to integrate with Bridge, Photoshop, etc., and save the file, it gives me the expected warning that the photo has been changed in an external application (same as it does with camera raw changes I make in Bridge or Photoshop). When I tell it to overwrite with new data, it does with no error messages, but if I again open the raw file in Photoshop, and look at the keywords, it has now added the parent to at least one of the keywords, and has changed the case as mentioned above. So I now have: "Cobblestones; New York City; New York State; Street; "Structures- buildings-parts, larger things"; united States"

I just upgraded to CS6, hoping that tis long standing problem would be corrected, but it has not. I also upgraded from Lightroom 3 to 4 a few months back, but that has not helped either. So I don't know if it is a LR issue or a Bridge issue. I do know it makes keywording impossible, ad I do not want all my images to have parent keywords added randomly, nor do I want United States to not be capitalized!

I am hoping somebody in the world has a clue as to how to avoid this issue.

Thanks.
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By "save the file", I assume you mean doing Metadata > Save Metadata To File?

To stop LR from writing parent keywords into files' metadata, in the Keyword List pane on the right-hand side of Library view, right-click each child keyword and make sure Export Containing Keywords is unchecked. Unfortunately, you'll have to do this with each keyword in turn -- LR doesn't provide batch editing of keywords.

(I verified this with LR 5. I can't remember if LR 4 works the same way -- Adobe has changed the behavior of some of the keyword options across the versions.)
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I meant: right-click each child keyword, select Edit Keyword Tag, and make sure Export Containing Keywords is unchecked.
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Hi John,

Thanks for responding. Yes, which then gives me option to "Import Settings from Disk", meaning apply changes made in Bridge to LR database.

So if I add keywords in Bridge, but not in LR, then save the changes & keywords to the file (or really, LR database, as I assume Bridge has already saved changes to the xmp file... although LR must also make changes to xmp for them to show up back in Bridge), LR automatically includes the parent, unless I pick each keyword for each file, and manually tell it not export keyword? That is a bit confusing, as what it is doing is actually importing keywords, but when it comes time to export, I would like it to include saved keywords I would think. Or is Export Containing Keywords different than Exclude on Export?

And would take forever as I would do all my keywording in Bridge then have to undo half of it for each and every image in LR.

I followed your instructions, but the minute I went in, and unchecked Export Containing Keywords, Bridge has now checked all the parent keywords I had unchecked! And LR no longer show that data has been changed on the file, even though I have not saved changes from Bridge. But, LR has added the parent separately as a keyword, which I then had to uncheck Exclude on Export.

Also, LR is telling me I can't use commas in Keywords, which makes things like Washington, DC problematic.

Lastly, I then went back to Bridge, unchecked parents once again, but LR now shows a change in data so I imported it, but once again, in Bridge I see parents added, and one keyword that had "/" between parts of it treated as separate keywords.

The whole keywording process is seemingly impossible to do using these two programs. I am curious how you and anyone else adds keywords without loosing their mind.

Thanks.
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Robert,

I no longer have Bridge installed (and I never used it much), so I won't be able to help you with the interactions between the two programs. In general, I think most LR users do all their keywording in LR itself -- lots of people have found that trying to modify metadata using two different programs can lead to the sorts of problems you're experiencing. But perhaps someone else here has relevant experience with Bridge.

Absent that, if you want to understand what's really going on, you could obtain the free Exiftool and examine precisely the metadata fields being written by the two programs. That would let you understand the effect of each program's options.

Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.