Lightroom Classic: Save Keywords and Preferences

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Per Adobe's customer care, I'm here to make the following suggestions:

Apparently, I need to make a suggestion that when using the newest version of Lightroom Classic..  I need to specifically request the feature of having Lightroom Classic save/retain all of the keywords that I have added to photos.   Repeatedly, with this newest version (9.1), I have added keywords to identify photos, but in later sessions, I'm going through the photos and those specific keywords are not on those photos.

Thus, I guess I need a feature request (per Adobe) to have Lightroom Classic actually save and retain all keywords we attach to photos, and not randomly discard them.

Secondly, apparently I need to suggest that when upgrading or backing up catalogs, that we have the option to have Lightroom Classic save/keep our preferences, presets, watermarks, etc and not discard them.

In short, 9.1 has been the worst "upgrade" from Adobe that I've ever used, and apparently Adobe's customer care does not think that these are bugs.. just features that need to be suggested.

Call me old-fashioned, but I think the "upgraded" version should work at least as good as the prior version (especially when you convert the damn catalogs so we can't easily roll-back, without losing the changes you've made to photos), and NOT dump/discard critical bits
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9.1 does work as well, saves keywords as it always has, and stores preferences and presets etc as it always has. Have you done something like changing the setting to store presets with the catalogue?

Are you sure you are using Lightroom Classic (Help > System Info, copy the first line)?
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Pretty sure...

Lightroom Classic version: 9.1 [ 201911291132-64cf80b4 ]

I've only worked with one catalog since upgrading.

Over the past month, I've added keywords to about 30,000 photos to identify the subjects in the shots so I can later go back and filter based on the keyword to select just those subjects.

Going back through the images one-by-one, unfiltered, I've had chose to 1,000 occasions where I've found keywords I added are no longer applied to the applicable photos.  In a few cases, I've keyworded the same photos 3-4 times because days later I'll go back and the keyword I added is gone.

Yes, this catalog is one where I have presets saved with the catalog, because it is a stand-alone event... and I've been working in this catalog for over a month.

When it "upgraded" the catalog, it threw away all my watermarks, which I had to go and manually add via drag and drop into the presets location, even though the pre-upgrade version of the catalog had them.

Working in the catalog the past month... the keywords have been vanishing with no rhyme no reason.. just gone..   not all the keywords for an image, just the ones that specifically identify the subject in the given pic.. and not for all the photos of that subject.. usually just 3-5 here and there.

Of course, I'm not even mentioning the memory management issues with the export function, as just like most prior updated versions, the more often you export, the more unstable the program becomes.. especially if you use the export 2 presets option.

I've been using Lightroom since 3.0, this isn't my first rodeo, but this is the first time the upgraded version has been this bad, and that customer service has been beyond useless.

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John, I'm glad everything is working fine for you... BUT, please be wise enough to realize that just because you're not having problems does not mean the problems are not there... and we live in a world where things can be legitimate problems, even if they are not impacting you personally.
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John, I'm not having the same issues as Doug, but the 9.1 version isn't working for me.    It won't even recognize my external hard drive.
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Which operating system Patrice? And when you say it "doesn't recognize" it, where are you looking?
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That's not normal Doug. Which operating system are you using?
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Windows 10 Pro.

I know it is not normal.. that is why I started letting Adobe know of problems over a month ago
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If it were a widespread problem, we'd be hearing from lots of people. What might be unusual in how you work with LR?
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John, the primary thing that would be unusual is going through the photos more than once in the library module so I would have reason to notice that the keywords I applied previously are not there.    The first few times it happens, most people assume they forgot to apply the keyword or did it wrong somehow.. and that is only after/if they have reason to know photos are missing from a text filter or look at a photo in library and happen to see keywords and notice "where the hell did xyz go"

As for if something were a widespread problem... I've frequently been one of the first people to find bugs in all sorts of software and hardware, so as I said elsewhere, just because a problem isn't happening to you does not mean it isn't happening, and responses such as yours are more problematic than helpful.

Denying problems does not help solve them, it helps them continue longer.
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The absence of other reports of this problem in such a key area points more towards to the answer being local to you / your system. And as you say, denying problems does not help solve them, it helps them continue longer.

I assume you are well-versed in how grid view and in loupe view affect the application of keywords and other metadata? Do you ever enable AutoSync in Library's Loupe View? Have you eliminated Metadata > Show Metadata in Target Photo Only?

When you apply keywords, to how many photos are you applying them? Are there so many that you have time to see the progress bar in the top panel? When you apply the next keyword, is this while the previous progress bar is still completing? If so, does this affect whether the next keyword is applied?
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They were applied to 3-6 photos at a time.. not large numbers and no new ones being applied before a progress bar completed.   All the ones applied to 100's/1,000's at a time were applied fine, the issue is only with those applied to less than 10 at a time.

No auto-sync, so nothing that could/should have removed the keyword after applied, and as I stated elsewhere, I watched the keywords be added into the big box, which I always do to watch for keywords or the wrong keyword being added (such as the program selecting the wrong item from a pull-down or auto-fill from predictive typing)

Show metadata in target photo only setting should not matter, as I have been noticing the keywords missing while having only single photos selected.  Obviously, if multiple photos are selected, the mode of that setting can influence what is show, but when a single photo is selected, that mode should have no relevance or influence over keywords that were added and later vanished.
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What Adobe told you does not seem to be correct (first time that's ever happened :-|) 

While others help you figure out what is happening (possibly a corrupt catalog), please make absolutely sure that you have nothing (not even spaces) in the keyword Filter box on the Keyword List panel.   If that brings no joy, then type in part of one of the "missing" keywords into that keyword filter box and see if maybe the misisng keyword wound up under an unexpected parent.    BTW, I'm not talking about the Filter bar above the middle section of the screen.  I'm talking about a single box at the top of the Keyword List Panel
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Thanks Dan... yes, I know what you're talking about..

I've only been looking at the single box that lists all the keywords in the keyword list panel.

It isn't misspelling or spaces in filters, as this was a problem I was detecting unfiltered, it was noticing a photo looked "undeveloped" and clicking on it to find the previously applied keyword identifier was dumped, so it was omitted from when I filtered to select a single subject, which I then developed all the photos of that subject

Corrupt catalog is a possibility I would not rule out, as early on, without doing precautionary restarts after exports, I had a number of application freezes/crashes and system freezes/crashes due to a repeat of their shitty memory management in the export module, which seems to happen with nearly every major update of LR.
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I'm going to change this to a bug, because this clearly isn't working as expected. However, it's not one I've seen any other reports of, which would tend to suggest an issue with that specific catalog. You mentioned this is a standalone catalog, so is it only happening in this catalog, or can you reproduce it with others too?
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Since 9.1 requires creating new versions of catalogs from the prior catalogs, I have avoided converting the old ones.

I still have 10,000+ photos to process and am weeks behind because this version has been such shite,

I would have rolled back to the last stable version, but when they keep doing these effing "update" to catalog, we can't go back without losing all the work we did, so I've been trying to push through.

Unfortunately, Adobe does not pay me enough to test their software for them, and as I stated, I began reporting problems to them over 3 weeks ago.

That is why I was shocked with today's advice to create a feature request, but I wanted to do as they requested...
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If I was not clear, I view Lightroom as a productivity tool, one used for processing 10,000-30,000 photos per event, going through them one by one.  This is a very time consuming process, as only on good days can I get through 1,500+ photos

I frankly do not have time to spend trying to figure out why each release of Lightroom does not work properly.. and over the past 5 years, I can't think of a single major "upgrade" that has not had problems that I needed to stop work to try to "help" Adobe figure out what bugs they missed.  EVERY DAMN TIME.

I don't work for Adobe and I don't get paid by Adobe, I should not be needing to figure these things out for Adobe.. and I should not need to hit them over the head to fix them until they are willing to admit the problems.. because usually, they publicly deny the problems (even in support) until after they issue the bug releases.

As users, it would be FAR better if they would admit to issues so we can know they are aware and working on fixes... but no, they would rather waste our time and increase our stress and anxiety.

All the while, we are stuck paying for programs that only work right for a month or two, until they "upgrade" them again and introduce a new batch of bugs.
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I mean, I've been complaining of issues with the dehaze slider for about 4 years now, as 2 photos taken 0.1 sec apart, can have a totally difference appearance, even on the same exact settings, because while it works properly most of the time, about 10% of the time it tries to color-correct and causes a color shift.  I'm saying 4 years instead of 5, because the first year I thought there were hardware issues with my cameras...  turned out the color accuracy problem was a result of "dehaze" tool, changing the color on some photos.
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Hi Doug, two things:
  1. That advice you got from the Adobe Tech Support rep makes absolutely no sense, so ignore. There is no need for a feature request for this behaviour, because whether we're adding keywords to one or thousands of photos at a time, LR shouldn't be dumping them. So, there is some technical issue at play.

  2. I think what Victoria was asking above is whether you tried creating a new empty catalog, importing the photos on which you observed the disappearing keywords behaviour into that, adding the keywords to them as you did before, and then observing if LR also dumped the keywords on those. If it does,, then it's an issue with LR; if it doesn't then the issue may be specific to your upgraded catalog. Try it and let us know the results.
Hope this helps...
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Ed, I know the support makes no sense to do a feature request, BUT, as that is the advice they provided, I wanted to be sure that was seen.. in fact, I got another message from them today, saying that since they gave me the suggestion to create the feature request, they were closing the support case.  (Which is why I said/indicated, they have no idea what the effff they are doing.. which is what I've been experiencing since I began reporting these issues 12/15/2019)

As for your number 2 (appropriately labeled), that would not accomplish anything. I've already indicated that I was able to successfully put the subject identifying keywords onto many of the individual photos where they were found missing.. so opening a new blank catalog, importing the photos I already fixed, and adding the keyword that I already re-added, won't show us a darn thing.

I don't know how many times I need to tell people what I believe caused the problem, and have it be ignored.  

Instead of me trying to recreate the keyword situation that happened a month ago after the system began crashing due to the issues with the Export module which were repeatable... and which I've duplicated on more than 1 computer.. maybe it would make sense for other people to take that issue seriously and figure out the instability caused by concurrent exports (which I found makes systems crash even faster than normal)

I hope THIS helps.. but still, there is nothing I can do with the unacceptably poor support performance for the past month, as I've encountered too many agents/reps who have absolutely no clue what they are doing.
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No worries, Doug. I'm not an employee of Adobe - just another user who was trying to help based on a few of the posts you wrote above. Forgive me for thinking your issue was repeatable since you wrote above:

"Going back through the images one-by-one, unfiltered, I've had chose [sic] to 1,000 occasions where I've found keywords I added are no longer applied to the applicable photos.  In a few cases, I've keyworded the same photos 3-4 times because days later I'll go back and the keyword I added is gone."

If it's 3-4 times and up to 1,000 occasions, then I thought it was at least happening frequently, if not repeatable. But if you say it's not, well, it's not. Which makes it much tougher to solve, as you already know.

Good luck. I see Rikk's on the case below - from what I've seen since being on here, he's very helpful. I know folks like the abysmal tech support you experienced make it tough to feel anything but frustrated with everyone, but try not to take it out on folks trying to help from now. It sucks the motivation out like nothing else when strangers visit a help forum to ask for help only to snap, you know?..
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Perhaps I was unclear, perhaps I was misunderstood... in terms of referring to what was repeatable, I was intending to express that the Export module problems are repeatable.  The keyword situation, I think was a side-result of the Export module causing crashes that harmed saving keywords/damaged the catalog.

I have a feeling that it might be possible to add keywords, and then export high enough quantities to render the program and system unstable causing the computer to freeze and then causing the catalog to potentially have issues due to not being shut down/closed properly..  but I'm trying to get work done, and I don't have time to waste on something like that, as a result of yet ANOTHER release from Adobe having problems with the export module as happens nearly every release until they issue the first bug update.

As for the I'm just trying to help, please don't bite my head off thing... the problem is that after multiple people over-simplify a problem and offer advice that they believe is helpful but really isn't... the frustration builds and each time someone new tries to be "helpful" but actually demonstrating a lack of understanding/oversimplification, those people tend to get shown less patience.  That is just the way it is.

I apologize if you feel I was short with you.. I've been dealing with this screwed up update from Adobe for over a month now and it is a struggle to get them to take stuff seriously.

As you said, the advice from Apple's support to start a feature request was idiotic and totally wrong... but the unintended result/consequence is that I've seen more progress with these problems and matters being taken more seriously in the past 36 hours than the entire 30 days prior.
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I don't expect this to be the issue re the Keywords, but doesn't hurt to ask.... 

The files missing the keywords, were the keywords added in GRID view (or at least the one image selected, and in view,in LOUPE view?

I have been using LR since before 3.0 and I am embarrassed to say that I still have too many times not having Keywords "stay" and 99% of the time it is because I added them in LOUPE view with a number of images selected. The keyword only is assigned to the image in view.

Just a thought offered in a helpful way
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I don't use the loupe view, so I'd venture to say "no".

Basic library grid of thumbnails, selecting the desired photos, either clicking on the keyword suggestions or "click here to add keywords" and putting in the keyword, then watching it appear in the big keyword box that lists all of the keywords for an image.

Later, the keyword is gone.  Not all keywords, others like my name, the event name, etc, are all still there... just the keyword assigned to uniquely identify the subject is gone.  The keyword is still on 100's of other photos of the same subject.

I've had this happen with multiple subjects, different keywords... no typos
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If you change between the different options in the dropdown beside "Keyword Tags" in the Keywording Panel, do your missing keywords show up?
The default view is "Enter Keywords" if this is set to "Will Export" it would explain missing keywords (as some may be set to 'do not export')
This is a different filter than Dan was describing for the Keyword List Panel
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Bruce, yes, only set to "enter keywords".

Further, there is no way to test what you asked about "do they show up", because if I find they are missing, I add them right back in.   It is not like I can query to find which photos they vanished from.. I have no idea they have vanished unless I've stumbled across them being gone by randomly looking at a photo I previously identified the subject for, and then clicked on again later to see it was gone.

For example.. imagine shooting a bunch of cars, 40 driving past your location, and you shoot 3-5 shots of A, then B, then C, then D, etc.. and then that cycle happens over and over.  Later, you go back randomly and happen to click on a photo of C that you'd previously added that keyword to.. and it isn't there.

I've even gone and looked at some photos that were exported and the keywords are there in the exported jpegs, but the same photo in LR in Library the keyword was vanished (until I re-enter it).

That is how I know for a fact I'd added the keyword and not just thought I did.. and it happened with multiple keywords/subjects..
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Interesting to observe that once Victoria changes it to "bug"... the activity dies.

With how much $$ we spend on Adobe software, I wish we had better support and more reliable programs.

Maybe better support and bug-free programs should be a feature request?
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Activity dying... I don't know about anyone else, but I stopped to make my dinner! 

I'm sorry you're frustrated Doug. I don't know who you've been talking to for 3 weeks/over a month, and I agree that the phone/chat support can be very frustrating. They have been known to talk complete nonsense at times, such as suggesting a feature request for what is clearly not expected behavior.

The follow up questions here aren't about denying bugs. Bugs that are verified get marked as acknowledged. The problem is, if no one here can reproduce a bug, then the engineers won't be able to reproduce it in order to fix it. That doesn't mean it's not a bug, but when something is specific to a single catalog or a single machine, additional troubleshooting is required in order to track it down.

It still sounds to me like it's some kind of catalog corruption, so my next port of call would be to try a different catalog. Even a new catalog would be fine, if you don't want to upgrade another of your existing ones. 
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The activity died because no one reading this is seeing the issue.  If you provided links to other threads on Adobe forums or other sources that shows others with the issue than it would backup your problems and Adobe would take it more seriously. 
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The problem is, I'm not sure I could even duplicate the keyword problem if I wanted to, at least, not short of spending 40 hours trying to recreate the conditions where I began noticing that the program puked out the changes I made.

I don't know about you, but since I'm not compensated by Adobe in any way, it does not make financial sense for me to stop work for my paying clients to perform unpaid bug-hunting work for Adobe, especially when I have a queue of about 1 month of work to complete.

Given the Lightroom freezes that froze my entire system (following large quantities of exports) and having no option but to power-off and restart, there absolutely is a possibility of catalog corruption.  (Though, even on the photos where keywords were missing, there were no mismatch flags indicating the catalog was different than the xmp.. which I'd expect, as if things were working properly, are the keywords not also put into the xmp files?

Due to the repeated crashing as a result of yet another update having terrible export module memory management (which happens with nearly every release), I've implemented precautionary measures of restarting the program and computer after about ever 1,000 files exported, which appears to have stopped the crashing issue for now.

My guess is that the problems with the export module causing stability issues, and the subsequent freezes/problems results in issues with the catalog.  (Such as if the file isn't closed properly as a result of the freeze, then some of the changes that took place int hat session could be lost), at least that is what I've experienced seems to resemble.

I don't know what is going on with the rapidly declining quality of the support agents, but they literally just wrote offering to call to help me with a problem that does not exist.    Especially email and chat, I've never experienced such poorly informed and english-challenged support.  (Suggesting non-USA based, cheapest "support" they could find to ship jobs overseas.)
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Hey Robert, thanks for that.. another GREAT example of the problem, as I've had Adobe ask me for links to forums or other sources to document problems.. AS IF IT IS MY JOB TO FIX THEIR SOFTWARE FOR THEM and for ME to waste MY time to research for them and spoon-feed it to them with all the answers figured out for them.

How about the people being paid to work on their software do their jobs and figure this stuff out, because Adobe are the people ACTUALLY paid to do this, NOT ME..

It isn't my job to get Adobe to comprehend that they should take problems seriously, but it speaks volumes that they, and others, think that we, as customers, should be taking our valuable time to research these things and provide confirmation from multiple sources..  as if we're paid testers or something.
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I would tend to agree with Victoria here. Lacking other reports of the behaviors described and lacking reproducible steps to recreate the behaviors, I am inclined to suspect a problem with your Lightroom Catalog rather than a bug in Lightroom. I would be happy to take a look at your catalog and run a repair on it. If you agree to this respond to this thread and I will contact you off-forum with instructions. 
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Hey Rikk,

As I stated, I think the problems are related to the issues with the export module, which I began reporting around 12/15/19, and were problems that ARE entirely reproducible.

The keyword situation, it appears to me, was a side-effect of program/system instability issues that cascaded from the export module issues, which I explained elsewhere in the thread.

So you don't need to hunt for it, I'll explain it, again.

There are two identifiable issues with problems with the export module, and the more photos you export, and the more often you export, the more unstable the program and system become.  Using the dual-export/simultaneous export option makes it worse/get bad faster.  It continues to get more unstable until user restarts the system, or the system will crash/freeze/lock up.

My best explanation for the missing keyword situation is that the images had the (missing) keywords added around the same time as the instability becoming fatal, then, when the freezes/crashed happened, the (missing) added keywords were somehow lost due to never being recorded into the catalog.

I have yet to receive any error messages regarding the catalog or catalog/xmp conflicts, so I don't know about the catalog being corrupt, I think it is more likely what I explained above.

Do you need only the catalog or the helpers, as the catalog is 500mb, but the full-meal deal with previews and all is 22gb.

Regardless of the catalog (which I think is fine, because you can't recover what was not written/recorded), but I do have a video "screenshot" that I'll share with you, which shows the instability of the export module.
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Rikk.. maybe look at this..  and don't tell me that today is the first you're hearing of issues

https://www.facebook.com/lightroom/posts/10157931268478464

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Doug, 

I only need the LRCAT file. It can be zipped and posted to a file sharing service like Dropbox or similar. 

No mention was made of recovering your reported missing information.

We are seeking to verify the integrity of your catalog as a possible explanation for the aberrant behavior you are experiencing as we still lack other customer reports and repeatable steps. 
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Rikk, I have it uploaded if you want to contact me privately for the link

I'm pretty sure you won't find anything wrong with it, but worth taking a look at.

I'm 99% sure the issue is as I related prior... Export module problems created unstable platform that later crashed the same session where the keywords had been added. If LR needed to self-repair the catalog file, it did so which is why I have not seen any errors, but the keywords that were added while the program was causing the desktop system to fail were lost.
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Rikk, email sent with links to LRCAT and video
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Catalog has been returned repaired. Please review it for performance.

I've reviewed the video you sent along with the catalog. To be honest it looks like classic video driver issues although it is possible for mouse/tablet drivers to be in play as well. 

Please provide specs on your Video Card, the Video Card Driver and the information on all pointer/tablet devices on your system. 

I have not been able to duplicate your results (Export Dialog) so far using the instructions you've provided. 

Have you reset a preference file yet? That is probably a good next step if the Catalog Repair did not give you relief. 
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Thanks, I have it substituted in and replaced, and it appears to be working, though I'm not sure what I need to do to review it for performance.. aside from simply using it.

If you watch the video again, try to see the task bar at the bottom, as that keeps changing and I kept seeing "temp" or some other type of mystery/phantom "apps" appearing and disappearing while you saw main app freaking out.

Here's my graphics processor info and the drivers are on auto-update.

Graphics Processor Info: DirectX: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti (26.21.14.3200)

I have not done anything with preferences... aside from the other problem of finding that all my normal watermarks were lost when updating to this newest version of LR Classic... I don't recall if there were issues with my develop presets or not..

What I can tell you is, in 8 years of using Lightroom (photoshop going back to 1986), I've never experienced such a problem filled upgrade/update to Adobe software.

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Next step:

A Preference File will survive a Lightroom uninstall/reinstall. Sometimes weird behavior is corrected/cured by resetting the preferences.

Reset Procedure:

1. Close Lightroom.
2. Hold down [Alt/Opt]+[Shift] while restarting Lightroom.
3. Overwrite the Preferences when prompted by the dialog.
4. Close Lightroom.
5. Restart Lightroom.'

Does the Export issue continue after resetting the preferences?
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Reset performed... (wow, I hate those defaults)

Going to check export issue and status of GPU driver (checking the first first)

Every LR update I've had issues with what I'd heard called "memory leak", meaning the export module would grab memory but would not release it completely/properly, so after multiple exports the computer has more and more problems as each batch makes the situation worse.. but restarting the computer always clears it up.  This version of LR and export is the worse I'd ever experienced.
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Doing a test export now (concurrently) and so far it is working and not showing any behavioral issues as yet, though it is running about 40% speed compared to previously. (Very, very, very slow). I looked in the app preferences for performance and it shows the gpu setting on "auto".
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It looks like I was overly generous saying 40%... more like 10%... 1/10th or slower the speed of normal, so I'd guess it isn't making much use of the GPU
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I even changed the GPU setting to custom to try to force it to be used more to speed up export (which it might have done) but everything was still seeming to be more stable than last month when I had a solid week of crashes following large outputs/exports.
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Doug:

Not trying to detract from Victoria's corrupt catalog thought, but following up on something you've said:

"  It is not like I can query to find which photos they vanished from.. "

To some extent, you actually can. Assuming that some files will have the same two or more keywords applied to them,  If you have noticed that some keywords, that you entered are missing across a number of  files, or even if you notice a key word missing from one file. BEFORE you add it back it in, run a search for other files missing that keyword, but still having another common keyword.

Using the Library filter:

TEXT filter, search for "DON'T CONTAIN" for the missing keyword
and and the same time
METADATA filter>keywords and the other common keyword that would be present in files.

It obviously won't be a perfect search, but perhaps when looking at the results there will be some thing  that pops out as being common in an edit, a selection etc etc or something performed on those files that may isolate the issue a bit more to help people resolve it for you.

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Doug Berger

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Jim, unfortunately, even knowing exactly which photos the keywords vanished from, I can guarantee you there won't be anything in common that finding them might reveal, as I've already stated, the only thing that I can identify in common might be program crash/freeze and system crash/freeze as a result of LR while LR was still open in the same session where the keywords were added.. but even then, the crashes/freezing are a result of the issues with the export module's problems, which lead to system instability and compromise, presumably due to poor system resources management.

That said, to elaborate on your suggested query...   it would still need to have 20-25 "does not contain" subject identifier keywords and the result would still have 8,000-10,000 photos because I don't yet have subject identifying keywords applied to about that many photos.. and scattered in there may be the 25-or-so specific photos that had their subject identifying keywords vanish.  Proverbial needle in a haystack... but it also would not assist in figuring out why beyond what I already explained/offered up as best guesses about what happened.

Now, if someone wanted to try to test.. they could take a catalog and apply keywords and then turn the power off on the computer without closing LR.  Repeat that a few times, and see what happens to the catalog and keywords.

I'd actually love to have all the photos keyworded, and have that work performed by an assistant remotely, by having LR Classic have some support for sharing/remote access to virtual previews or something, but obviously nothing like that exists (and it sounds like Adobe has no interest in the for Classic/HD stored raws), and it would be insane to upload 750gb of photos to a cloud-based version and expect to have any speed at processing.
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FWIW, did the freeze-lockup thing again last night after exporting about 750 pics to high-res jpegs.

Looking at those pics, there are some that do not have one of the keywords recently added this week.

This is using the catalog that Rikk rebuilt/fixed.