Photoshop: Rotate Brush Tip 'On the fly' (Keyboard shortcut, Mouse-wheel or Click + Drag)

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This may seem wild, but many ideas might've seem that way when first introduced, so bare with me as I believe it would be rather sexy addition to using brushes in Photoshop.

Imagine you choose a brush tip and are ready to use it in your art. But it's not quite right and you could use the Brush Tip to rotate few degrees. So you go to your Brush Palate and Brush Tip Shape Palate and manually rotate the wheel in that Dialog Box or type the number of degrees in a Angle Box(°).
Then you go back to your art and continue using the newly set up brush. Until - you need to adjust the rotation of the Tip again, and again... you get the point.

Wouldn't it be fantastic if we can rotate the Brush Tip 'on the fly' without having to go to the brush palate over and over again, just like we can now change it's size and softness?

Perhaps Left Bracket and Right Bracket would rotate the brush Tip CCW and CW by a 1° (by 10° with Shift) or in increments you set up in Preferences?
Wouldn't that be something?
I am aware of similar function can be achieved using the Pen Tool. This idea however would be available for both, Pen and Mouse and for all Tools using Brush Tip, including Stamp (Clone) Tool.
If this is already possible and I was living in the dark, please enlighten me.

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What I'd like to see is the brush tip controlled from the scroll wheel of my logitech - For those of you also wanting to change angles (it's the sizing that I'd presently want to be able to control with the wheel) leaning the wheel over one way or the other should also be available in preferences. Then you could really fly.
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Your scroll wheel isn't an absolute value control - just relative (up, down).

For rotation, you really want something like a Wacom Art Pen -- and that's already available.
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Not for me. I've got a Wacom but for work I do falls way short. Used to be I could go and select brush sizes, then bring my cursor down to workspace and use scroll wheel to set exact brush size I wanted (+/- 1 pix), but for some reason I can't do that now. Why?
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Chris, like it or not, there are many people using mouse while working in Photoshop.
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I don't even see brush tip! Where is it?
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Jean-Pierre, Bonjour! The shortcut for brush resizing in CS5 is: alt+right click+drag on windows, ctrl+option+drag on mac left-right for size, up down for hardness.
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salut PE, merci pour ton renseignment. This will work for me.
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salut PE, getting back to this...now that I've given it a bit of a trial, as it turns out this does work but is not very practical nor is it very precise for some instances in the work that I do. If there was some way to control resize with the scroll wheel once the resize brush has been selected (as in some previous versions of PS) then that would be optimal...less entropy. thanks again, cheers
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salut PE, meant to get back to you on this...but that technique does not work for me since it involves 'dragging', and I require that my mouse be in stationary position while enlarging tip size - it's a matter of adjustment to graphic constraints.
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Photoshop needs a better way to rotate brushes! Why can't we rotate brushes by holding down a hotkey and click-dragging with the left or right mouse button? I can't be the only person who's thought of this.

Rotating brushes using the widget in the brushes panel is archaic and a major impediment to my workflow.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
When are we going to get a keyboard shortcut for ROTATING BRUSHES?.
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When resizing and changing hardness the brush, i mean holding alt and right click button we can rotate the brush with mouse wheel same time.
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Wait pHeR-d, is that a suggestion for Adobe? or are you saying that's a way we can rotate brushes now? because I just tried it and it's not doing anything
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Everyone loves the ease of bracket up or down to change brush size right? How bout the same thing for changing the angle of the brush? (For it to be really useful, the brush ghost preview needs to rotate too ) This could allow for quick decal like dropping of shapes, as well as quick adjustments to calligraphy brushes without any visits to the menus and windows.

While we're on the subject; keyboard commands to brighten or darken the current color, add or remove red, add or remove blue, add or remove green, increase saturation, decrease saturation all to the current color would be a great option under the hood of PS. Thanks for listening!

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Photoshop: Keyboard keys for rotating brush.
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Oh, man brush rotate key commands would rock so much! It would be very nice to program them into a slider on a wacom tablet or a peripheral like the Griffin Powermate. If you use PS to paint in, you understand how monumental this would be. When Adobe introduced the rotate page feature, that was like manna from heaven, this would be equally monumental and appreciated. Their implementation of the color wheel "shortcut" is a total cockup, but that's another story...
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If you're using a pen tablet (that supports tilt) to draw, there's a workaround you can use. In the "Shape Dynamics" options inside of the brush settings, change your Angle Jitter Control to "Pen Tilt". This will change the rotation of the brush based on the angle in which you hold your pen. :)
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Nick, the results of that method are unsatisfactory, as you end up having to hold the pen at goofy angles to draw. It becomes a situation of the software controlling you instead of you controlling the software. Thanks though.
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still no brush size adjustment/control on mouse wheel - Xmas perhaps?...YEARS LATER AND NO NOTICE
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-go to Brush Palate and Brush Tip Shape Palate and manually rotate the wheel in that Dialog Box or type the number of degrees in a Angle Box(°)
set your Angle, for example 90°

-go to Brush Presets and save your brush without capture brush size in preset

-repeat with different Angle (90°,65°,45°,25°,0°,-25°,-45°,-65°,-90°)


-now you can use , and . to change that brush

-if you have two or more brushes you can use "tool presets" with 0° as the default

I hope this can help
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might help someone else who uses brush angles
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This is perfect! Thank you for this workaround, candra nur rokhman!
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still no brush SIZE adjustment/control on mouse wheel while cursor is on workspace (not anywhere in the menu or some sidebar) - Xmas perhaps?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Photoshop: Keyboard shortcut for "Brush Rotation" and "Brush Roundness".


I want to rotate my brush with my Wacom Intuos5 ring. To do that, I need to be able to use keystrokes to change the rotation angle of the brush. Looking in Edit > Keyboard Shortcuts > Tools we have "Brush Hardness" and "Brush Size"* but no option for "Brush Angle". Huge bonus points for adding keyboard controls for "Brush Roundness", too, but that's not as important to me.

Thanks!

*these are handled well by Wacom

I'm using Photoshop CC 14.1.2 x64 (Windows)
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I made the same request, lets hope Adobe listens !
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
PHOTOSHOP: Rotate a brush with a short-cut.


Rotate a brush with a keyboard short-cut or a combination of mouse and keyboard shortcut.
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Wow, someone else who gets it. I'm surprised that no one else has clued on to this technique and just how time saving it is. We need more 'stars' to be noted...other our request is just a black hole. This has been 2 years since my original and still waiting. I don't know why, because my previous copy of PS in CS2 allowed me to do so with just a cheap mouse. Strange...I was thinking about this today...wondering if it might have something to do with my much higher end Logitech. The short cuts recommended as you posted above are to me not short cuts at all. Does anybody over there ever read any of these?
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just use the short cut rotate canvass press R paint press R paint easy
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no good for what I need.
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Thanks! I hope so. This would be a fantastic addition to brush functionality.
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We can only hope soon, real soon. If they can update Photoshop CC at anytime, I would hope that they update Photoshop CC with a rotate brush feature, soon. It's not as though some of the JDI were not important, but of all things, you can't rotate the brush.
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Being able to set shortcuts for brush rotation is still missing and still very much needed.

Something as simple as having the recording of Actions register changes to brush rotation would solve the problem. I was actually a bit surprised that it doesn't.

Chris Cox mentioned that the Art Pen is what we would want for brush rotation, but I don't really agree with that. It's impractical to have several different pens, and the Art Pen is even fatter and more unwieldy than the regular Grip Pen, so I really don't want one.
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I like that Adobe has added the brush rotation wheel in the brush right-click pop-up. That's a small step in the right direction. Unfortunately, this feature is only available in CC and I have CS6... That said, I still don't understand why Abobe refuses to add a shortcut to brush rotation.
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I WISH ADOBE WOULD WAKE UP. WHAT'S THE HOLD-UP ON HAVING BRUSH SIZE ADJUSTMENTS ON THE SCOLL- WHELL OF MY MOUSE? IS THAT SO DIFFICULT A CONCEPT? Three (3!!!) years and counting now and not a spark of light from the Adobe shadows.
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Wow Im only a week into learning photoshop and knew for certain there had to be a shortcut for rotating brush.

GUESS NOT :(
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I just use the short cut rotate canvass press R paint press R paint easy
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@Noel: using R doesn't work with the Intuos5 ring. If there were a proper keyboard shortcut - 3+ years and still waiting - we could assign it to the ring on the tablet and not have to interrupt our drawing while we change the angle. This would be especially useful when trying to airbrush at an angle around curves, for example.
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just to reiterate: I WISH ADOBE WOULD WAKE UP. WHAT'S THE HOLD-UP ON HAVING BRUSH SIZE ADJUSTMENTS ON THE SCOLL- WHEeL OF the MOUSE? IS THAT SO DIFFICULT A CONCEPT? Three (3!!!) years and counting now and not a spark of light from the Adobe shadows.
It would be a valuable tool to have since often I have to resize the brush to a specific size on the image and this can ONLY be achieved by hOlding the brush tool in position while resizing....THINK Y'ALL HAVE THE CONCEPT NOW...THINK YOU CAN DO SOMETHING SMART ABOUT THIS? LET'S SEE RESULTS ON THESE ISSUES PLEASE.
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I love that I keep getting updates to this post... angry digital artists are my people! Clearly Adobe doesn't read this/doesn't care. When it comes to revisions to their products, if they can't scream to the heavens some "kick-a**" feature that sounds super-techy and bleeding edge they don't do it. "Content aware fill"? Who was begging for that? Sorta neat under very constrained conditions, but I never use it. "Keyboard Assignable Brush Rotate" on the other hand would be very useful, yet doesn't sound very sexy. And thus we all go back to our desks and do it the way we have been. Sigh...
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Clearly, you are not paying attention.
Photoshop has millions of customers, with thousands of feature requests that we need to prioritize. Just because we don't implement your favorite feature instantly does not mean that we are not paying attention - it just means that we're busy doing other things that are needed.

Actually, Content Aware fill was requested a LOT, and improvements to it were requested a LOT. (probably 1000:1 versus this request)
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3 years waiting for something that I actually had with my PS version in CS2?...that's reasonable??? c'mon
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Yes, it is (especially since Photoshop CS2 had no such feature). We have a lot of requests on our backlog. We have to prioritize. Worse, as time goes on, we get more requests, and more bugs to fix, and more OS issues to work around or implement. You filed the request, and voted for the request. Now you need to wait for us to get to it.
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I understand that you feel like you have to prioritize the most requested features, Chris, but I hope you also understand why people who use PS as a drawing and painting tool are frustrated. In the past, you've added features to PS that cater to us, like the erodible tips, bristle brushes, mixer brush, etc., and used it as a way to get us to buy your software. It makes us feel a little bit cheated when you give us the impression that PS is meant for us too, with features that have sadly ended up being a bit gimmicky with limited use, and we invest our time into getting proficient with your software, but the lion's share of the new features you add are aimed at other types of work.

My favorite improvement when I upgraded from CS5 to CC was actually the subtle improvement to how the brush tool handles and responds to pen pressure. It was a small change, but it made it feel more comfortable to draw, and it is a good example of a change that we've needed, but we didn't necessarily ask for or know that we wanted. So disregarding features that aren't highly requested is not necessarily the best way to go about it.

You're probably aware of it, but I feel I should remind you that it's not the PS development team's job to work off a list of most requested features, but rather understand what kind of changes are genuinely useful to your users and prioritize accordingly. Most users will probably want to request new and fancy tools, but it's often not the most important improvement to them. They just don't know that.

As for the comparison between content aware fill and adding easier brush rotation, it might be true that content aware fill is much more requested, but I'm willing to bet it also required quite a bit more work than this feature does.
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Chris,

I think I hit a nerve by using "Content Aware Fill" as an example. I am sorry if that was something you worked on specifically. I was just trying to illustrate my point. I could have chosen a host of other neat but less useful features that have been rolled out over the years.

I am going to hazard a guess from your post, that you are frustrated at users of the software moaning and groaning on about their meager concerns, and disparaging Adobe on this site and others, when we don't have a clue how complex and difficult your job is. I get that... You guys make great software that we all need to do our jobs and that is rarely said... so let me say it now: "Photoshop is AWESOME! and thank you for making it so!"

But I very much agree with what Yngvar is saying above. Users of the app have a hard time understanding how making small improvements to the app isn't seen as easy, low-hanging fruit, that could help everyday users. As opposed to making whole new features that few even had the imagination to know they wanted.

I really loved Snow Leopard (10.6) on Mac because Apple said "no new features" and just improved what was already there. I've dreamed that Adobe might try a similar approach. Making the brush rotation a hot-key is not really a new feature as much as an improvement to what is already there.
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Nailed it, Yngvar!
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We add features for many different users all the time. But we aren't always going to add your current favorite feature immediately -- we can't, because we have too many different types of users and way too many requests. (honestly, my personal TODO list for Photoshop is over 30 pages, and growing)

You've made the request, you've voted for it -- good. The more people who vote for a feature request, the more often we hear a request from different sources, or the more people who provide good explanations for why they need it - the higher priority it will get And yes, we try to know how our users work and weight the requests and needs of all our users accordingly (which isn't easy when you have millions of users and thousands of requests, plus bugs, OS changes, hardware changes, etc. to deal with every release). Product management wants lists, and they work from lists. The engineers prefer to work with customers, and try to keep the lists reasonable.

But throwing a fit and proclaiming "they obviously don't love us anymore" when you don't get your favorite feature immediately and other users get new features is really childish. Also, it detracts from the apparent validity of the request (it isn't easy to take those requesters seriously - and all caps and misspellings kinda don't help either). Plus, trying to tell professional engineers how easy something must be... doesn't help your case. That ranks right there with armchair quarterbacks and the guys who said "go to moon, pick up rock, how hard could that be?".

No, I did not work on content aware fill - but I know how much that functionality was requested by many different customer segments. And I know how fun the image processing and math is to make it work, much less make it work in a reasonable amount of time. I'm glad we finally got that feature in and are continuing to make improvements on it. And I'm seeing it used by an awful lot of customers in different market segments.

Every release, we get in a lot of customer requested features, plus a lot of little JDI features, and a ton of bug fixes (plus OS and hardware compatibility stuff that isn't always obvious). But we can't do everything instantly. And we can't get something for every customer segment every time (even if we could identify all the unique customer segments). We have to prioritize, we have to figure out what we can do in the available time that will help the most users. Unfortunately, that won't always be your feature request. But your request is there, and we will try to get to it. Don't get impatient, just get more votes and good explanations about why the feature is needed (especially what real problem it will solve, or how it can help you work better or faster). And especially don't throw a temper tantrum when a new release don't include your feature -- we just haven't gotten to it yet.
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You probably read a lot of posts on these forums where people seem upset and frustrated with you, and I understand how that can skew your view of our posts toward having the impression we're throwing a temper tantrum, but please don't assume that we are. I can only speak for myself, but I was only trying to bring up points I think are valid as calmly and well-articulated as I'm able to. I'm not sure how I can better convey that with text alone.

Also, to be fair, it has been years since this feature was requested, so I don't think it's entirely fair to accuse us of being impatient and expecting things to happen straight away.

If your to-do lists are long enough to take years to get through, maybe you ought to look into increasing the size of your development team? Maybe even assign different software engineers to each specific user group? This way everyone will see improvements to the tools they use, and you avoid having some user groups feeling left out. I realize this is easier said than done, but if we were to avoid suggesting things that are easier said than done, I imagine the whole feature request section of the forum would be empty. :)
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You might want to read "The Mythical Man Month" -- larger teams tend to slow things down, not speed them up (and this has been proven many times). We do divide work among subteams who target different areas and customer segments -- but there are too many customer segments for Photoshop to possibly assign a team per segment. We do what we can, but we aren't going to have something for everyone in every release. And just because one particular feature is your favorite, does not mean that it is highest in priority when compared against every other feature request from every other customer segment.

Again, you have registered your request and votes - now you need to wait until we have a chance to address your request.