Lightroom: Respect Hierarchical Folders of Presets

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This conversation has been merged. Please reference the main conversation: Lightroom: Respect Hierarchical Folders of Presets

Currently presets can be stored in folders, but Lightroom doesn't respect the hierarchy beyond the first level. For example, the following hierarchy would appear with all of the folders on the same level with the top level folders appearing to be empty.

Develop Presets
-Folder 1
--Sub Folder 1.1
---Preset 1.1.1
--Sub Folder 1.2
---Preset 1.2.1
-Folder 2
--Sub Folder 2.1
---Preset 2.1.1
--Sub Folder 2.2
---Preset 2.2.1

The above hiearchy appears as follows:

Develop Presets
-Folder 1
-Sub Folder 1.1
--Preset 1.1.1
-Sub Folder 1.2
--Preset 1.2.1
-Folder 2
-Sub Folder 2.1
--Preset 2.1.1
-Sub Folder 2.2
--Preset 2.2.1

There are many reasons to want to use deeper hierarchies. I keep all the Presets from Matt Klowskowski in one folder, but further subdivided by folders that contain all the presets in the same category (eg. Wedding, B&W, etc). Lightroom ignores the top level folder and shows the subfolders as top level folders.

See the attached image to see the difference between Lightroom and the folders on disc.



Annoying.
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For those trying to cope with a very large number of presets, my Any Source plugin provides alternate means. The Preview Presets command lets you quickly filter and search for presets by typing just a few keystrokes. And unlike using the preset panel, the command completely undoes the effects of any preset you preview but decide not to apply. (Many people don't realize that as they preview presets by clicking in the preset panel, there could be changes made to their photo that aren't undone when they click on another preset.)

I too would like LR to provide hierarchical preset folders. Adobe added filtering to the Collections panel, it would be great if they added it to the presets panel as well.
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Thanks John. Your plugin looks very useful.
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Add my vote for Develop module hierarchical presets.
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Please, spread the word...
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Such an obvious feature it's unbelievable (well sadly it isn't) that adobe haven't implemented it yet.
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I just released the Any Preset plugin, superseding the Any Source plugin. It lets you work very quickly and efficiently with large numbers of presets by letting you nest folders, put presets at any level, and search presets by name.
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Hey John

Seems to be the solotion for our problems. But you should make your plugins working on Lightroom where 'storing presets with catalog' is enabled.

Best regards Lars
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Thanks much for pointing that out that oversight -- I'll fix it in the next release of the plugin.
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I released version 1.4, which supports presets stored with the catalog. It also works around the LR bug with previewing presets in Develop mode.
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John R Ellis you are a god send -- Just downloaded and played with AnyPreset and so far it appears to do everything I wanted it to do plus some stuff. The fact the preview effect shows up on the main image, not just thumbnail is a bonus. Also looked at AnyFilter overview. Think that maybe my next download.. Thanks man. Adobe should employ you...
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I will wholeheartedly second what John H said - the plugin is great and your support is fabulous too. I'm looking forward to finding the time to use it more over the coming weeks and months and will be looking at the other plugins as enhancements to my existing LR workflow also.
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+1 For better preset management. My wishlist would include

-Nested Folders
-"Favorite" markers, with a dedicated folder in which these would appear
-The ability to move presets and create folders/subfolders from within LR itself.

Please. :)
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Subfolders in presets.

It would be great if LR allowed for more than one level of directory structure in the develop presets. With a lot of presets there's a balance between having lots of folders in the list and having fewer folders with lots of individual presents inside them. For example, you could have:
> Basic Workflow

> White Balance
WB1
WB2
....
> Exposure
- 1.0
-0.5
....
> Contrast
...
> B & W Treatments
> Creative filters
etc.

Right now you can have a nice folder structure in the filesystem but as displayed in LR there is only one level--all the folders on disk are collapsed to the same level.
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The plugin above is helpful - and thanks for it!

But - Adobe - I (and I suspect a lot of us) really, really need a way to organize presets in a hierarchy more than one level deep. Additionally, being able to mark a preset as a "favorite" and having it show up in a dynamic favorite preset folder would be hugely helpful.
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I'm amazed this isn't in yet - it simply is shocking!
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However it can be implemented, we do really need a better way to organize presets. At a bare minimum I'd hope for hierarchical folders and the ability to mark (and filter) presets.

The more I think about it, though, and the more closely I pay attention to my workflow frustrations - the more I'd like to see presets handled in a way that's analogous to the way LR handles images with folders and presets.

So:

-Hierarchical Presets Folders under one section
-Another Presets "Collection" Section, where folders, subfolders, etc can be created, and presets placed into them. Important here would be:

1) The same presets can be placed in multiple preset collection groups (for example you could place the same preset in "Favorites," "Black and White" and "Film Emulations"

2) Preset Collections could be filtered for more frictionless navigation.

Thoughts?
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Oh wow...I just realized - we've been asking for this for four years?!
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And still no response from Adobe - not even an acknowledgement they have even read the forum
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They first replied 4 years ago. They said the problem was fixed! I don't think they understand what we are talking about.
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Ron, the reply originally announcing the fix was appropriate. The release of the Lightroom 4 Beta and subsequently Lightroom 4.0 represented a change in the way Presets were handled in pulldown menus (e.g. Import dialog, Quick Develop panel) formerly these were not available in 1-level folder view and created very long lists.

Requests to have a multi-level folder organization remains an active feature request. Were it not, this thread would have been marked as implemented.
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@Rick, it wasn't appropriate at all to mark this as implemented. The original request (which I submitted) clearly shows a screenshot from the Develop panel and it was only changed in Quick Develop. It's still broken in Develop.
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And it hasn't been marked implemented, as I said above.
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NOTE - if you look at the very top of this thread it is marked as implemented by Jeffrey Tranberry. As I said, it clearly has not been fixed.
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When we mark a feature request as Implemented a large yellow badge appears at the top. See this thread for an example: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
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https://gyazo.com/ad45c304b37580ce97d...

OK, so it doesn't have a badge, but it does have an "official response" saying that it was implemented. Either way it has been dead for 4 years. What are we left to assume...
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More importantly ... can we get it implemented? :)
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Clarification: LR does read nested folders of presets, but it flattens the hierarchy in the dropdown menus, so the nested folders all appear as top-level folders. This is clearly not what everyone in this thread wants.
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Let's not quibble about how it has been labeled. What's important is what else can all of us do to both bring more attention to this and get it accomplished?
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I think Adobe's straight up ignoring this thread because it's (erroneously) considered to be "addressed." Should we start a new one?
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Good idea.
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New (and hopefully not ignored) thread here: https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/lightroom-need-to-respect-subfolder-hierarchy...

Please go add your support.

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@Rick. I don't want to be nit picky but this goes to my comment re not understanding. The first reply from anyone at adobe is

Jeffrey Tranberry (Chief Customer Advocate) over 4 years ago
Hierarchical Develop Presets was implemented in Lightroom 4:

He said Develop Presets, not Quick Develop or any other kind of preset. The fact is that nothing was done to the Develop Presets and I am 99.99999% sure that is what everyone has been commenting on (customers that is)

We would all appreciate it if you could use your considerable influence with the development team to get them to 'fix' the Develop Module Presets.
Thanks for listening.
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I'm certainly talking about develop presets. (Not that Metadata presets couldn't use help too, but that's beyond the scope of this current conversation)

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