Lightroom: LR 4 Beta: Ability to still use Recovery and Fill Light

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I saw the new features of Adobe Lightroom 4 and I wanted to make comments. My big request is that the Develop tab to the left features Recorvery and Fill Light. I think it is very important. This will allow existing users to work comfortably and effect presets based on these functions. You can also increase the degree of sharpening an image when you exporting images.
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Lee Jay

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If you have to work with the old tools, you can just select the old process version.
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You can always change back to PV2010 to access the older control set. You aren't forced to work with the new controls-although I would highly recommend it.
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Can you do it so that the functions Treatment were old, but that functions were new Adjustment Brush??
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Additionally, people are finding more latitude for adjusting images using the new tool set. Try the new tools and you should find that you can get more out of your images than you can sticking with the old process version.
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I have been using lightroom 3 and i just downloaded the version 4. I have the same concern as Zamon, but you are saying the new tool set is more powerful and can compensate fill light and recovery features. The question is what do you mean by new tool set? what feature in the new tool set will compensate that? Thanks for your input.
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Use exposure for midtones, minus highlights for recovery, and plus shadows for bringing up the low end. Then set white and black point as necessary.
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That works great. Thanks for the advice.
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You cannot preserve the Process Version Sliders from LR3 and gain access to the new Adjustment brushes features at the same time on the same image.

In order to access the new adjustments on the Adjustment Brush or the Graduated Filter tool, you must convert that image to PV2012.

I think if you will try it you will find that you will never want to use recover and fill light again. You have so much more power, latitude and refinement ability under the new control set.
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I have developed probably 10,000+ images in LR2 and LR3. LR4 is a huge step backwards for me. I have spent weeks trying to get the same effect as I could get with a simple quick process in LR3, and have failed. I used recovery and fill light all the time, probably on 80% of images shot with 5DmkII. I just cant find any way to get the same quality of outpout from LR4 without these vital tools. The new Highlight/shadows/whites/blacks just dont have the same affect and I cant get my images the way I want them. I want to cry.
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There are some inherent differences between the process versions, and you can't always get the exact same look in PV2012 as PV2010 (fairly close: yes, exact: no). It took me a long time to:

* learn to use PV2012 optimally.
* appreciate the better quality in PV2012.
* let go of the things in PV2010 I'd come to like, or in any case gotten used to.

I can totally relate to how you're feeling - been there myself. But after enough hours, I've come to really like PV2012 - love it even. Tricky to master, but awesome results...

If you have specific issues with editing or what have you, consider posting examples. e.g. a link to a DNG containing a snapshot of your favorite PV2010 rendition and your closest effort using PV2012, together with a description of what you like better about the PV2010 version, and the difficulties you had with PV2012.

UPDATE: A couple things regarding fill & recovery, and PV2012...:

shadows slider has much narrower range than fill, and if photo looks a little dim, even if mostly bottom-heavy, you may need to bump exposure a little (or a lot) more, and shadows less than you might otherwise be inclined to. This will probably over-brighten the top, so crank highlights down too. Also, it's the balance between whites and exposure that determines whether photo brightness is biased high or low. (consider using +whites fairly liberally, and -whites more sparingly; highlights slider is the goto slider for recovery, *not* the whites slider, which will also do the job, but it tends to dull). Also, if you use +whites, and plenty of -blacks, you need less contrast, and if you drop global contrast to aid in fill & highlight recovery, consider bumping vibrance/saturation, and clarity to make up for lost pizazz.. Conversely, on those (generally fewer) occasions when you need +blacks and/or -whites, you may need to increase contrast (and/or clarity) as compensation.

Consider using locals (which have been greatly improved), instead of tone curve (which is needed far less) for fine-tuning PV2012.

If you have radically different values for -highlights and +shadows, then *usually* (not always), you don't have exposure set optimally. Also, if you have a positive value for highlights and negative value for shadows, it's often a sign that you have contrast set too low (or whites not high enough, or blacks not low enough). If only one or the other, then check exposure again...

Behavior of sliders (e.g. tonal range of influence) is tied to exposure. If you want a very low-key shot, consider boosting exposure more than you really want (to give the other sliders better range for adjustment), and pull the brightness down using the tone curve, to make it lower key.