Elements Organizer (2018) - Provide a (new) Folder Tree Display similar to the current Places Display

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The use of the new map/gps based Places view results in hierarchical tagging.  That is, when a place is selected, one has and perhaps even .
These tags are displayed in a nested hierarchical structure.  If I click in the box in front of a tag to select it for viewing, all the tags in the sub-structure beneath it are also selected.  So if I choose California I see all my photos tagged in any CA city or location.  If I click on Arizona, I see just those tagged in AZ.  If instead I select United States I will see the AZ+CA photos as well as all other states.  If I click New Zealand I see both North Island and South Island.

I would like (an option for) the same kind of display when I choose a folder from the Folder Tree View.  I would like to see all items in that folder and in all folders in its sub-tree.

Note - I can select multiple place-tags in the "earth-places-tree" (e.g. CA + AZ).  I am not asking to be able to select multiple folders in the folder tree.

My understanding is that (in Windows) the path-to-photo is maintained in the database.  I would hope it would be straightforward to build an sql query to find all instances in which the path-to-folder begins with the path-string of the folder that the user selected in the folder-tree hierarchy.  Those matches would define the set of photos to be displayed.

Note - make no change to the Folder List View.  A selection from that view would continue to show only the items in that folder itself.
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Michel BRETECHER, Champion

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Your idea is nearly the same as your posts in that older discussion:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/folder_view_is_worse_in_pse9_than_earlier_ver...

I think it would be good for users wanting to comment or to vote for your feature request to also read the other discussion.

A few comments of mine...

- Yes, you can check that the full path is stored in the database. Indeed, you could imagine a search query like 'folder path - [contains / begins with / ends with] - text string'. By the way, the advanced text search (magnifying glass top right) is able to find any text string in any caption or tag. I can imagine such an automatic search if the full text path text is indexed.

- The question does not take the drive id into account, it is stored differently, not in the 'folder path' text string.

- There are other discussions stating that combining a folder criteria with any other one in the 'search by detail' does not work. The workaround being to first add a tag to the folder selection before running the search by detail.

- Remember that the organizing philosophy of the organizer is to manage a database, not folders like in browsers. The folders features are generally secondary and only necessary when migrating from a folders organization to a relational database catalog. Once you have created your virtual organization in tags and categories hierarchies you can search by categories/subcategories including lower level subcategories and tags. You can perfectly manage your places categories like this, or your hierarchy for managing birds, minerals, themes...


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I added this particular post as an Idea, which I assumed was a more formal feature suggestion on which people could 'vote'.  Yes, it is much the same as my posts to threads which were classed as Problems or Questions.
The fact that earlier implementations were buggy does not mean that new approaches should not be considered.
The fact that I can create and apply tags that duplicate the structure of the folder tree does not mean that I should have to do so if that information is already readily available.  Workarounds are nice to know (and I appreciate those provided), but are not the same as a feature built into the program.  I value my time and would prefer to have the computer do the work.
Bottom line, I felt that it deserved its own place in the Ideas for suggested features.  People can comment for or against.  My point about the file-path certainly overlooks other program complexity about which I am ignorant. I leave it to the product managers and developers to decide on possible implementation.

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I leave it to the product managers and developers to decide on possible implementation.
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Nor product managers nor developers can decide. If marketing has decided there must be a clear difference in features between the 'consumer' level Elements and the 'pro' Creative Cloud Lightroom, then this feedback forum will only help:
- If the developers and product managers judge the idea realistic
- If they can convince marketing that the return on investment is positive
- If enough users do vote for your ideas, feature or bug fixing requests. Note that the feedback forum is not the only feedback available to Adobe. They can have a good statistical idea of which features are really used from what they know about your own usage (unless you have disabled the feature).
- If there is no risk to make CC users downgrade to Elements.

I don't want to look negative, but what you can expect is that many users will vote for your idea. Adobe has agreed many years ago that the idea is legitimate but they did not change anything; there has not been a significant number of votes. I think that if you and me can help, that is in giving new arguments coherent with the above conditions, so that product managers and developers can use those arguments to get real deciders to take action.





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Having been one once, I've always considered Product Managers to be part of the marketing team.  Software Engineers (having been one of those as well) decide upon implementation, so their assessment of 'do-ability' is also part of the equation.  I believe my comments are in alignment with your points.
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... what if the product manager is the same for Elements and the competing combo Creative Cloud? Did you note that in the header of the Elements section in this feedback forum we still read that Photoshop Elements 2018 has just been issued???
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I see that the note about Photoshop Elements 2018 has been removed...
Thanks for caring!
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For a workaround, I view multiple folders by placing them in a temporary album and viewing the album.  But I understand if you are doing this OFTEN you'd like an easier way.
Kathy