PSE 19 cannot get Watch Files to work. Any help?

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I am no expert but have used PSE for many years.  Recently upgraded to PSE 19 and cannot get Watch Folders to work.
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Watch Folders pertains to the Organizer.  It's default folder is My Pictures.  Not many use this.  A user will know what's new because a user saves files.   It would drive me nuts if I knew I saved a file yet it tells me it just saved a file.   Nobody likes this prompting.  Do you specifically utilize it for any particular reason?  
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In Win 10 it is Pictures not My Pictures.  That may be the problem.  However, to answer your question, I use an internal drive letter E to store all of my pictures. I tell PSE 19 to watch the E drive ... User, Ken, Pictures, My Picture file, 2019 and the month (IE February).  I also have "Notify me" selected.  Any thoughts?
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As before, I don't know you would watch the folder.  You are saving in it anyway and it notifies you when saved.  This doesn't seem to be a problem.  I know a guy who uses the Organizer much (I do not) and I'm not sure if he uses "Watch".  
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What is 'Watched folders' used for and how does it work?

- The purpose of managing your files via a catalog is to allow you to choose which files on your computer you want to catalog. You must 'import' (register, index...) your chosen files into your database to store their exif info, their physical location on the disk, your tags, captions and how you want to group them (albums, stacks, version sets...)  You can do this manually for each import batch from the downloader, you can browse your computer and select which files you want to register. You can also use an automatic option to let the organizer scan you whole computer to import all media files it finds on the main locations pictures are expected to be (I don't recommend it).

- You may have good reasons to want to check if new files have been added in your computer and to 'import' them in the catalog. For instance files imported from the web or by another user of the computer.

- You may have a bad reason to do so:  you don't agree to the catalog principle and you would like to avoid the responsibility of choosing which files you register in such and such catalog. In that case, the organizer or Lightroom are probably not your best tools, and you might prefer a browser like Bridge.

In both cases, the organizer has to scan given folders or the whole computer for new files.  It compares all the files with those in the current catalog. Then it's up to you to tell if you want to import or not.

There is an organizer feature which enables comparing files to avoid importing duplicates. If you have already imported most of the files in a given folder, importing again will skip all files already present in the current catalog and import only new files.

I prefer to choose when I have to check given folders for new files. I choose the best moment and don't trust an automatic and background task (there are already many others which are a burden in the editing session)

There is also the 'watched folders' option, which decides when and how to do the above task automatically in the background, but it's exactly the same comparison.

The trouble has always been that there has been issues with the watched folders feature. In the latest version, it has been implemented differently (no longer a Windows service, starts apparently only when you start a new session...)

So, if you have issues with the watched folders, simply try to reimport specific folders (much faster than a background task).
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Micheal:

Thank you for responding to my question.  I am a little confused by your response, however.  Here is how I use both LT RM and PSE - and have been doing this for years.  I take a lot of photos each month and edit them through LT RM.  Photos that I have decided to keep and have been edited I have LT RM export to a folder in My Pictures (by year and month).  PSE, which has been watching My Photos, notifies my that I have new pictures to add to the catalog in PSE.  I then select the ones I want cataloged (which is usually all of them).  Then, from the cataloged pics I tag the ones I want to give to my wife.  I have been doing this for years.  The problem I am having now is that after upgrading to PSE 19 I cannot get PSE to tag the pics I have sent to My Pictures from LT RM - even though I have specified that PSE is to Watch the My Pictures file. I have spent hours trying to get this to work and have been unsuccessful.

Any help with that?
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The problem I am having now is that after upgrading to PSE 19 I cannot get PSE to tag the pics I have sent to My Pictures from LT RM - even though I have specified that PSE is to Watch the My Pictures file.
I understand you can't tag because you can't import the pictures in the catalog via the watched folders feature.

I can't help to make the feature work as designed, except by trying to open the organizer just after a clean reboot of your computer, and giving it time to search. Do this test without using the computer for some time to see if it works once in those conditions.

What I can discuss is the workaround you could use like me.
You don't get any notifications, but you suspect there may be new pictures not yet cataloged. You simply do an import for your whole 'My Pictures' folder.
This will show you ALL files not yet catalogued in that folder and you can agree to import them all or take the time to select those you want to import. Note that after the import you can sort by 'Import batch' to review those imported files and possibly cull some of them.

The key issue for the time to find all new files is the total number of files in your 'My Pictures' folder. Whether on importing manually or on using watched folders, it will be longer to scan a folder tree of hundreds of thousands files than from a folder or folder tree of only ten thousands or so. You are sure the files to possibly import are from the current year? Then obviously you'll import only that current year. Compare the time for importing from the whole 'My Pictures' folder to that of from the current year folder only.

The second issue I can see is to let another software or process to automatically load new files anywhere in your folder tree, instead of storing them in a single dedicated folder to store import candidates temporarily. In the event of a global re-import of the 'My Pictures' tree, if you decide to exclude some files from importing in the catalog, they will stay in the folder structure. They will be found again the next time you do the process (even a working watched folders feature will find them again).

Side Note: 
Just out of curiosity, what is LT RM?



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First, THANK YOU for your reply.  Second, LT RM is short for Lightroom. I use Lightroom 5.  I will look at your work around and see.  Of course, I will let you know if I tried it, and, if I do, the results.

Having said that, I want the product to work as advertised.  
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Ken,
The watched folders feature works for me when I start a new organizer session. I may be wrong, but I would not be surprised if the background task only starts at the beginning of a new session... No clear indication in the task manager.

That said, I just did some tests, and it appeared that the watched folders was much faster than my workaround, which was much slower than in previous versions. No ideas why. The workaround did find only the new files. No duplicates as expected.