Elements 14: Organizer not enough space

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If I try to modify a picture in the Organizer's media view it says always 'not enough space to ...'

Windows 10 64bit latest updates
12GB free RAM
156GB free disk space

PSE Editor seems to work fine, but in Organizer I couldn't opimize any picture.

Thanks a lot and a very pleasant working day!
Best regards,
jb
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Michel BRETECHER, Champion

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It may help to give the link to the original question in the Elements forum:
https://forums.adobe.com/thread/1986019
Note that the system drive is an SSD.
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Yes, you are right. Thanks!
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Additional tests:

- Another user profile
- Reducing free disk space step by step
- Expanding free disk space from 156 to 200 GB
- Run as Administrator
- Run in compatibility mode (8, 7, Vista, Vista SP2 or SP1)

But unfortunately nothing was able to solve the problem.
So, I'm no expert, but in my little world it looks like an issue with calculating free disk space or with insufficient permissions. If you don't mind my thinking.

Thank you for reading, thinking and solving!

Ciao for now
jb
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Hi all,

i got the same problem. It depends on network drives which elements could not handle.

Adobe please fix this!

Thx
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David Miller

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I disagree, I had an older version of Elements and it had no issue with my NAS. Version 14 does though. Sounds like a new bug.
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Forget network drives.
Simply use an external USB drive on which you store both your library and catalog(s). Use the external drive alternatively on two computers with the same Elements version.Cheaper, much simpler and faster.
The problem with the original question is that the existence of the network was discovered very late...
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Norman Ende

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Hi Michel,

"Forget network drives" This cant be the answer to the problem.

We decided to use nas servers instead of multiply usb devices for a long time and with good reasons. Our setup with some pcs, notebooks and android and ios tablets all sharing the same image library - great idea to cycle an usb device between them. I think in 2015 it should be possible to read from gigabit 100MB/sec samba drives.

really no solution ?

Thx a lot!
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Hi, Norman,
I understand that you have a need for an home network; you have good reasons. That's a long time for you... and for a tiny minority of Elements users:
See:
http://www.johnrellis.com/psedbtool/p...

There could be a solution if there was an important problem for the market segment of Elements users. How many use networks?Two different needs, sharing a photo library and being able to work on a desktop and a laptop. The first one is covered by cloud applications. Most of my friends and relatives are very happy with Facebook, Dropbox, Adobe Revel etc. and would not want to be dependent on a physical local network.
The need to work on two different computers has always been solved by my solution.

Now, supposing the need for more network support is important for Adobe, would it be easy to implement? I have never seen more positive reports than the above link. The core of the database in the organizer is based on recognizing the location of the files, that is identifying the network as a drive. That seems to work for some users. But you'll never be able to store the database on the network (at least on Macs, don't ask me why) and to allow concurrent access to the database. And for the speed of operation, you could not beat the external drive solution... By the way, have a look at the requests from Lightroom users for a real network solution (implying concurrent access to the catalog and library). There's a real need for pros and studios. Accessing a network library does work. For the rest...
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Hi Michel,

thx for your detailed answer.

I am not asking for a real shared storage solution like in big postpro facilities. I could store the database on a local drive even if i think modern network solutions easy reach the speed of local drives or even top them. Just compare gigabit or even 10gbe with the old but working USB2.0 solution.
As an it-pro i cant believe it could be a big thing to work with UNC path in 2015.

sorry but:

"But you'll never be able to store the database on the network (at least on Macs, don't ask me why) and to allow concurrent access to the database."

The word "Database" nearly include that it is located on some kind of network and many users share information! The idea of standalone computer databases is strange, and the minority case. Even the database we both fill with this thread is located on an networkdrive!
The strangest behavior at all. It is working well on UNC-path, it feels fast, it is indexing ok, even the catalog is fast enough to work with (even if you storage it in network). There is just a little bug of determinating space left on the share.

Sadly but therefore the organizer is useless for me and perhaps adobe fix it in the next version.

Thx for help
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Hi Norman,
I highly respect your competence as an it-pro, (I am only an 'amateur' in database management as well as photography...), so a few questions if you don't mind.
- "just" compare even 10gbe with USB 2.0..."
What I can say is that I have not found a significant speed difference in everyday use of the organizer between USB 2 and another SATA internal drive. With USB3, no real advantage for me.
- It would useful for you to have a look at similar questions about Lightroom, such as:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
(Do a Google search for 'Lightroom network support')
- I don't agree to the idea that "databases" are necessarily on networks. That may seem natural to an it specialist, but not for me.
- What is not clear in your answer is whether you have managed to use the organizer or not as described by John R Ellis and some other users?
- Have a look at the sqlite database used for the catalog and cache files in the Organizer. Its structure dates back to 15 years, I guess everything should be totally rewritten. Not very likely.

Really, my professional background was more in marketing, so that I am highly skeptical about the real need for network support in the organizer. It has never been, it is less and less asked for since people want cloud solutions. The market segment of Elements is clearly different from that of Lightroom. Even if an acceptable solution is possible, don't you think that Adobe's efforts would aim at improving Lightroom first?
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Hi Michel,

thx for fast feedback

i am stay searching and looking to the lightroom solutions as well.

the fact that usb 3.0 is no advantage to you shows how surprised i am that UNC did not work. I think this case we are discussion is just a bug, not a missing feature.
The feature request from some lightroom users are simultaneously useage of a catalogue. This is nothing i request from a consumer product.
We dont try to edit the catalogue at many workstations the same time. We just want to use the same big mediapool (500GB/150000files) for all users. The users catch some folder and do there own stuff with it. One user use Organizer to tag the people, another use Photoshop Bridge - another link the files with an Avid Mediacomposer.
Cloud is the answer for dealing private or company mediapool - but located on company controlled networks not on facebook or dropbox / all public companys.

What a shame.
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I have the same problem
- I used to have PSE 11, that worked fine with SSD used for catalogue and pictures on a (fast) NAS. The only difference in my system is that I upgraded PSE from 11 to 14. And now quick fixes in Organizer doesn't work. Any fix I try to do, return "not enough space", even though I have plenty of GBytes (100+) left on all my drives.
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Same issue here and I don't think it has to do with using NAS or SSD. I use a NAS unit with dual 1 Gbps ports and it works fine with Elements 14 and Windows 8.1. However, on my laptop I get the out of disk space error. No use of SSD on either computer. And this setup has worked in past editions of Elements. I also don't understand why the full editor would work but not Organizer.

So again, my setup works fine Element 14 and windows 8.1 to rotate or quick fix; But it does not with Windows 10 on a laptop. I think we need a solution to this issue as NAS units are becoming more and more popular.
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I have the same problem.... I'm using a NAS (Synologic) as archive. I don't understand, why PSE has this problem to connect the Network drive. In Lightroom I see every drive as in Windows Explorer.

If Adobe understand PSE Organizer as tool to organize pictures, they have to look for that it works the same way as in Lightroom...

I would make a YT video next days to warn people about this missing crucial function...
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Norman Ende

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Hi Mack and Team,

Mack is right! The error just occurs in combination with windows 10. I tested an Windows 7 Pro 64bit installation and it works fine. Now its definitely an error i hope Adobe will fix it.
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I am on W10 with a 100Gig router and 4TB NAS. New customer and cannot use organizer and fix photos via the NAS. Has anyone found a work around? I don't want to move over 100,000 photos onto my desktop HD.

This is pathetic!
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Hi Wjpetersenii,

sorry the only workaround a found is using a virtual maschine running windows7, i hope adobe recognize windows 10 soon.

we ll wait
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I had to go and get an external drive with usb 3. Now it works. But what a stupid mess this is. Now I have to back up to the NAS anyways and have 3 drives full of photos....
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I have the same configuration (Win 10 and NAS) and the same error messages. I use PSE because I want an easy solution, not running a VM or moving files to a USB drive. It is ridiculous. Please fix this bug.
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I'm a newbie to FSE having just installed PSE 14 on my Win 10 laptop/tablet and have come across the same problem. Interesting that it doesn't have this problem with OS prior to Win 10. I tried to set it to Win 7 compatibility mode using the "troubleshoot compatibility" option and saying it ran under Win 7, but even that doesn't seem to make a difference. I have a Surface Pro 3 so I'm limited on local disk space and I too don't want to have to plug an external USB 3 drive in every time I want to run PSE. My mapped drive gets backed up regularly independently of my laptop so that's a far better approach in my opinion. It shouldn't matter if the UNC path or mapped drive is to a NAS or a file share on another system. This should just work.
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Same problem here - having the images on a NAS drive has worked on previous versions of PSE *and* with Windows 10 (recently 'upgraded' from PSE 9 on Windows 10, previously had PSE 6 on Windows 7).

The only change is the upgrade to PSE 14.
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Same thing!.... worked fine in prior versions.   When will this be fixed, or do I need to request a refund?
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Neil Merchant

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I'm in the same boat. It seems to be Win10 that's the issue. No joy from PSE tech support yet.
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sander knol

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and another one tricked in to buying. Had to upgrade because i've got a new camera and PSE11 doesn't support the RAW-files. And now i'm not able to do quick changes, because files are on the NaAS, while the catalogue is on the HDD.

It's a shame!!
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Neil Merchant

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I understand from their tech support that the problem has been isolated and resolved, though there's no ship date yet for the patch, so far as I've been told. I guess it'll come out in a periodic update bundle.
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They can't call it resolved until the code is released for customers to use.  
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Neil Merchant

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They didn't call it resolved - I did. Surely the situation as I understand it is clear from my post?