Photoshop: Application bar removed in CS6, no more Arrange Documents button

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Moving from CS5 to CS6 I didn't think I'd really miss the omission of the Application Bar (which used to be under Window > Application Frame in CS5). However, I've discovered that I really, really miss the button for Arrange Documents which let me quickly and easily sort and zoom multiple open images. It seems that I am missing a similar button in CS6.

I'm aware you can get to the same options by going to Window > Arrange in CS6, but I find the extra level of menu digging annoying when I have to first click to float all windows, then tile the windows, then match zoom. I wouldn't mind seeing this show up as a palette. Or, when I have the Magnifying Glass tool active these functions could appear in the Options toolbar.

-Bruce!
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This is absolutely ridiculous!
There is no legitimate reason at all for them to have removed the "arrange" button??

I would like to know why this was done?
I'm sure no one in their wildest imagination could provide an answer.
Other than just because they could.

Creating more shortcut keys as a "solution" is NOT a "solution", it's a band-aid for the incompetence and unreasonableness of Adobe to eliminate/move things that make the user interface less efficient and less intuitive.

And it's because users like "eric" just move on and provide "work arounds" that Adobe will continue to do assinine things like this. Instead of everyone getting together and holding Adobe accountable so they can do the "right" thing.

What a joke.
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Chris and I have already posted the reasons it was removed above.

We had a lot of users ask that it be removed because it was redundant and took up unneeded screen real estate. Removing it also reduced the size of the application.

You can still access the commands in the same number of clicks using the Window menu (same efficiency), and as other users have pointed out, you can now even assign keyboard shortcuts to them (which couldn't be done prior when they were on the application bar). This actually makes things 'more efficient.'

Sorry, but the application bar is not coming back.
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Thank you for your reply. But...

Nice try on the response. However, it makes no sense at all

Your trying to tell me that people wrote to you and said "hey this little button to the right of the menu is really taking up too much space can you remove it?

I seriously doubt that you had "a lot" of users, if any, request it be removed...because it wasn't in the way, inefficient, took up too much space ...lol or anything else.

If it was/is redundant?
Than why not remove all the redundancy in all your applications?

And why is it still avalable in AI? ..it's redundant there and wow, it is really taking up a lot of needed real estate...lol

The "took up unneeded screen real estate" answer?

All I have to say is "Really?"...I have a 20" Monitor which is "small" by most Professional users standards...and there is10" of unused screen real estate to the right of the top menu...

Like I said there is no "legitimate" rational reason for this to have been removed.

So you removed it, but why not give users the option to turn it on/off or have it available as a button depending on their own needs??

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Please read all of the previous responses.

Yes, there are many legitimate reasons why the app bar was removed.
Yes, there are many completely rational reasons why the app bar was removed.
You do not know the code, or the internals of Photoshop - so perhaps you don't know all the reasons.

No, the app bar is not coming back.
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I agree with Evan's comments above that your responses might better have have been limited to "... thanks for the feedback ..."

Maybe you were having a bad day but since you decided respond as above:

I may not know Photoshop code or its internals, but talking down to me or any other Adobe customer is reprehensible.

I grant you that application development, maintenance and enhancement requires the careful balancing of the business and/or customer needs with the cost and ability of the developers to produce and maintain the application. However, what may be legitimate, rational and expedient for the development of an application should never be the reason to remove a feature from a consumer application.

If customers want or need a particular functionality in Photoshop they should be given courteous and serious consideration because Photoshop exists for the benefit and use of Adobe's customers while concurrently contributing to Adobe's profitability and your continued employment.

Take care.
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Bring it back Chris Cox. Users needed
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Agree with RiceBranMan,

I call BS on the "takes up too much space" reason. One button!?

And the claims of efficiency being the same - not true. It takes more wrist movements to accomplish the same thing. You have to click on Window, go down to Arrange, then bring the mouse over to the right and then scroll down more to pick one of the arrangements.

As for assigning hot-key buttons to accomplish the same thing - sure you can but you have to assign a button for every arrangement - one for vertical, one for horizontal, etc. etc. And it's not like there are a lot of buttons not already in use by the program.
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Please read all of the previous responses.

No, the app bar is not coming back.
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Why is this so complicated? Instead of bringing back the bar just add the one or two features of the bar that are most missed into what is now unused space. How is that not win-win?
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As "Cool Hand Luke" says: "What we have here is a failure to communicate"...in other words Adobe is just going to do what they want to do when they want to do it, and they certainly don't care about our side (win-win?) and their only responce to our requests is "No, the app bar is not coming back" a broken record which they repeat as often as necessary until this goes away.

When a solution is quite simple, as in leave the application bar and make it so that if you don't want it, you don't have to use it, the ability to turn it off/on OR hide/show as a users option. But, alas, this would be too easy for the obfuscated minds at Adobe.
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There is no unused space on the options bar. On the minimum screen size - it is full on many tools. And on localized versions of the app, it is even worse.

You don't seem to be listening: the app bar is not coming back. There are many reasons for that, not all of which are apparent from the outside.
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"There are many reasons for that, not all of which are apparent from the outside."

Chris, I'm gonna trust you on this. I think you're hinting that a new UI is in the works that's gonna make everything better for those that miss the functionality, but in a whole new way. (Perhaps at the bottom of the toolbar, under the screen mode button?)

We know you can do it and I'm rooting for ya!
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You can keep repeating "the app bar is not coming back" and I believe you: it will not come back. I'm not waiting for it any longer. You have done your job, so pick up your paycheck now and head home!
But here (and not only in this topic, but on other world-wide forums), you are going to keep hearing the voices of those that think this was a bad move. As the major player in your field (Photoshop is the standard; I don't know or believe the same principle holds true for the other progs you're selling), you can do as you like, but it will only emphasize your own (corporate's) arrogance. Sooner or later, there will be a 'pay-back'.
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I have to praise Adobe for removing a useful and intuitive panel without giving the option to get it back and then persuading users that they don't need it. Nothing like replacing a useful tool by an empty space speaks so loudly at great customer support.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
CS6 Application Bar.
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I'd like to bring the focus back to the issue most of us have voiced here: Please bring back the Arrange Documents button.

It's made clear that the Application bar is not coming back. The reasoning is flimsy, but that's fine. I understand politics in large organizations tend to produce odd decisions. Instead of arguing the right or wrong of a decision already made, let's see this as a feature request. A UX problem is spotted and here's an opportunity to improve Photoshop in a future update.

It's been explained how handy the Arrange Documents button is in previous posts, so I'll not repeat here. I'd like to also add that if Adobe wants to promote the use of tabbed view, bringing back the Arrange Documents button will improve UX significantly.

I see a few solutions here:
1. Put the Arrange Documents button on the Tab bar. A tiny down arrow on the right side of the Tab bar would do.
2. Put the Arrange Documents button on the Tool bar, right under the Screen Mode button.
3. Put the Arrange Documents button on the Options bar.
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I agree that the arrange button was useful. I also can`t ever remember any one ever asking to have a feature REMOVED.

Additionally, I found this thread because I`m missing the "fly up" and "drop down" choices for magnification, can't find it anywhere - sure I can type it, but whatever...

A few posts above mentioned it was gone also, and I did find a work around - the Navigator window does offer a slider, but no preset options.

SO it appears that people have also complained about the fly up/drop down magnification options and so Adobe removed the 20 pixel arrow from the magnifying area bottom left of the application, and from the magnification tool application tool bar at the top, and gave me only five generic choices in the View menu, and now I have to open the Navigator to have a slidy bar - which of course is useless when you need a preset. And dragging is so fiddly it's "faster" to just type it - so although present, it's effectively useless.

If any one has thoughts on this, and can tell me it there's something I missed i'd love to here how to gain a user created preset zoom feature back, but meanwhile I'll suffer though being browbeaten to use the Window/Arrange menu like the rest of ya'll. Because slower productivity sure does bring in the coin!
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My two cents on this: I use CS5 at work and CS6 on my home computer. The arrange button is so crucial to my workflow that I have told my office NOT to upgrade me to CS6 because of it.

With my photoshop projects I need to have a lot of files open at once so I can drag content in from multiple places, or be able to view multiple files at once. While you can sort-of do this with extra steps by going into the Arrange menu, it takes extra time and is missing the crucial "Tile All" functionality that is not limited to "horizontal" or "vertical".

When I'm at work in CS5, it's a simple button click that I don't have to think about. When working in CS6, it's STILL a major annoyance even after so many months. I would pay money if someone made a third-party plug-in that restored the button.
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Window>Arrange>Tile in CS6 is the same as "Tile All"
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Sigh. I still prefer the PS CS5 setup.
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The arragnge button is really really really important to me, when i got news, it was very very very disappointing for me!!!!
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I too am trying to learn to live with tabbed layout in order to avoid what has been called "taskbar clutter" in this thread. I don't play with the task bar, but instead ALT/TAB between applications and having Photoshop turn into multiple entries is a constant irritant. Now I have a shiny new CS6 and you expect me to menu around to do what I need to do in order to live with tabbed images? And you call it easy?

One of the big problems with Photoshop has long been the reliance on menus or a zillion key combinations. I have a whole bunch of trivial actions just so I didn't have to pull down and slide over in order to get to something I wanted. The action pallette in button mode is MUCH easier than those darn menus!

It does NOT make me feel better to learn that the tabbed interface is not because we PS users want it but in order to make the various Adobe programs more similar.

I know of $25 products that allow the user to configure their own toolbars! And no, I don't want a scripting tool to make myself a shortcut key. I won't remember it because Photoshop is not my entire life. I want buttons. And I want a choice of buttons.
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Adobe software designers policies are totally arrogant and completely dismissive of their customers' requirements - product orientation instead of customer orientation!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
no arrange documents on the application bar.


just started using PS CC, Can't find the arrange documents icons on the application bar. It's not a resolution issue, more like they were never there. I'm using win. 7.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Bring back the button Arrange (Windows).

(Excuse my English, but I'm French and I use Google translation :-p)

I understand that following the request of many users, Rearrange buttons, etc ... Bridge had disappeared from the CS6 release.
I find it unfortunate that those who, like me, find these convenient buttons, can not make them reappear, especially as, 1) they are always present in Illustrator, InDesign ... and 2) there is ample room (width and height) back to the right of the menus.
So yes you can still access it via the Windows menu, but it is far from practical.
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I'm sorry Chris and Jeffrey, but you will have beautiful writing and rewriting the application bar will not return to me and almost all the persons involved in this topic, your arguments are not valid.
You start by saying that after you have study found that few users were using the application bar and even thought it was a "waste of space". But how many users like me want her back! Probably more. Besides, as said so many people in this topic, the vast majority of Photoshop users do not know the existence of this forum and therefore may not wish the application bar to return, even if they think the .
Your second argument is "it's a waste of space." Really ? And not on Illustrator? Not on InDesign? No Flash? Not on ..., I continue? Why remove features on software and not others in the same afterwards? Why your arguments would be valid ONLY for Photoshop?
Your other argument is "it's a redundant control." Sorry ? How many he commands in Photoshop? Hundreds ? How many are redundant? One third if not more. A consideration here, what is the Adjustments panel? All settings are already available in the Layers panel and the Layers menu. I continue ? Why put a button Add a layer mask in the Paths panel so that it has been in the Layers panel? And I'm not talking about keyboard shortcuts which are a redodence regardless.
Even though I am on very rare occasion UX / UI Designer, I know that for reasons of ergonomics and to improve it MUST be redundant. At Microsoft, they understood it long ago. On all their products, starting with Windows, to do the same, there are at least 3 ways to do it (not to mention, again, keyboard shortcuts).
I come back to your argument that "many users do not use the functionality of the application bar and find it a waste of space." Why not offer them to hide the application bar? You already proposing to hide some commands (even putting them in color) in the menus (Edit> Menus). You do the same with this application bar! Or, as for the panels, you propose to close (and thus hide).
With that, you write that the features on the Application Bar are little or not used. Personally, I use Photoshop daily; if I use third order is the maximum. I met regular Photoshop users and nobody uses all functions, nobody. And given the number of orders "gadget" or useless that you add to each version ... it's not going to be improving.
Where I want to believe you is when you write you can not see all the work of coding is behind. At the same time, it is convenient for you to say that, of this "hide" behind this argument because already we can not verify that it is actually complicated to do in terms of code and then it's like "you can not understand, so move along, there's nothing to see."
But 1) you add to each version of the commands we have not necessarily asked, 2) rather expensive you pay the right to use software like Photoshop to request a feature or surrender and finally 3) we do not ask you a feature of ADD, but RESET functionality that existed in earlier versions and I repeat myself, exists on other programs of the Adobe suite.
There are more than 3 years, you wrote "you do not know all reasons" because you do not want us to fear that they are not valid for us or because you are short of arguments?

Finally, I do not see why you offer the users of your software, to improve them? Why this forum exists if you do not access to user requests? In another topic which I participate, where we ask you for many years, you can do simple mathematical operations in many fields, which are once again on Illustrator and InDesign, again you do nothing, then what good is all this? !! If it's just to have a good image "yes we listen to our users' and do nothing behind, it's a waste of time and for you and for users.
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The arrange windows button was really a very comfortable button. Photoshop please put it back! My vote is for it....
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Please bring back the Arrange windows function.
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I thought when they brought out the Narrow Options Bar preference, they could bring back the icon with the Arrange Windows drop down selection. People with larger monitors always have had room, and now laptop users can have room, too. I even thought they might put the alignment icons in a similar drop down if that's an issue with space.

I was wrong. They've never apparently revisited that, nor the idea that the Options bar could become customizable like the Control panel is in InDesign. Maybe someday, if every reader clicks the Me Too button. To separate it out into an Idea (feature request) would now lose all the Me Too's that already are there, along with all the comments. I've added my Me Too.
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Since Adobe Photoshop CC is now a PAID subscription rather than a purchase program I am HIGHLY disappointed that the Arrange Documents is not on the toolbar like previous releases of Photoshop.  I use it 99% of the time to  work in multiple images at the same time and I cannot believe this option has been removed.  I agree with other posters that decisions like this one cannot be make by someone that uses Photoshop for their business.  I have an online business and I am constantly using it to edit side by side images.  :(
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I never made the step from CS to CC myself, but it looks like I haven't missed a lot.CS will remain on my Mac as long as it's compatible, and then it looks like I'm done with Adobe.