Photoshop: Application bar removed in CS6, no more Arrange Documents button

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Moving from CS5 to CS6 I didn't think I'd really miss the omission of the Application Bar (which used to be under Window > Application Frame in CS5). However, I've discovered that I really, really miss the button for Arrange Documents which let me quickly and easily sort and zoom multiple open images. It seems that I am missing a similar button in CS6.

I'm aware you can get to the same options by going to Window > Arrange in CS6, but I find the extra level of menu digging annoying when I have to first click to float all windows, then tile the windows, then match zoom. I wouldn't mind seeing this show up as a palette. Or, when I have the Magnifying Glass tool active these functions could appear in the Options toolbar.

-Bruce!
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I totally agree and I don't understand why the Arrange Documents button was kept in Illustrator and InDesign, but not in Photoshop...
I hope people in Adobe reads these topics and re-introduce this button as soon as possible!
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The app bar (and that button) is not coming back -- the functionality is still there in the menus.
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Yes, Chris, thanks for your answer. Bruce pointed that out in his first post (Window > Arrange) but it's a longer way, and why not keep it as a button, like in InDesign and Illustrator? I personally miss this button a lot and I feel that other people too, so I leave my suggestion to have the button back
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The buttons were added as space filler when we were forced to add the app bar. Now that there is no reason for the app bar, and no more support from the group that made us add it -- the app bar is gone, and there is no reason for space filler buttons that duplicate existing functionality, nor is there free space in the UI for that duplicated functionality.

Some of the other suite apps have not gotten around to removing the unnecessary app bars yet (despite the many customer complaints about wasted space and duplicated functionality).
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Well... you can't have everybody happy... Maybe I'm in a few group. Thanks, any way, for your explanations
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Bruce Jamieson

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Thanks for the response, Chris! Yes, I figured it might have to do with doing away with wasted space. The Application Bar did seem to be fairly empty. However, the Options bar remains, and I was thinking that my missing buttons could easily fit in the Options for the magnifying glass tool.
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Chris, a lot of us liked the bar for convenience sake. Why not just make it a user option, like other pallets?

Also, you say all functionality is found elsewhere. I've yet to see my zoom magnification when in full screen mode, where might that be at a glance?
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I am also disappointed that the application bar no longer shows Zoom Level as well as Arrange Documents etc. Is there a way to customize this area of the top bar? I also am missing the buttons for Bridge and Mini Bridge.
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Bruce, and all, I completely agree! I miss this Arrange Documents icon more than anything! Almost to the point that I prefer to use CS5 still! If I never know about this icon and you showed it to me in CS7, I would be thrilled...so to have it in CS5 but not the new CS6 is a move in the wrong direction of ease of use, user friendliness and faster workflow, which I think CS6 is really all about. Can't image this is missing. If you're like me, you open several documents and switch between them, tile them, zoom and consolidate to one tab all of the time as you work. To have to go to a menu now and then another menu and then a new menu with small icons and text just doesn't seem like a new exciting feature...just a backward step in workflow.

In CS5, my Arrange Documents icon was next to my main menu options, in the same bar, so this isn't an issue of space. See attached image.



Thank you for posting and allowing us to post. I hope Adobe responds with a fixs soon!
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Can a moderator turn this thread into a feature request?

It's insulting to see it marked "not a problem" when clearly for many of us it is.

Still can't fathom why the bar wasn't treated like any other pallet, that a user can choose to show or hide.
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For those of us who use the Application bar a lot please can we have it back? Its the only thing stopping me using CS6
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I too use the zoom bar most of the time, if you could add that back and make it more flexible like the one on bottom left or even better, with drag functionality to zoom in or out [like opacity on layers] it would be worthwhile upgrading !
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Not a problem?? NOT. This is STILL A PROBLEM for many of us. i know several people who refuse to use CS6 because of this issue. I think this needs to be escalated to a higher priority and given some real consideration.
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I have recently switched over to CS6, although the previous versions (CS3, CS4, CS5...) still live on my Mac, and are still used to some point (CS4, for instance, is the program we use at school). To my big surprise and disappointment, I could not find this Arrange Documents button anywhere in Photoshop CS6, so I started looking on the net (and asking a question on my favourite photography board), only to find out that the Arrange Documents button is missing.
Well, I miss it!
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The Arrange Documents functionality is still available in the Window->Arrange menu where it's been for many years.
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Chris, people don't like digging thru menus for commonly used functions.

And I'm still wondering how to determine my zoom ratio in full screen mode.
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Not everything can be a button in the UI. Again, it was added to the "app bar" just as space filler, but it's been in the window menu for many years.
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A problem here!
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Thanks, Chris, I guess we will have to "live" with this, but in my opinion, as well as in that of the other posters of this thread, this new development (omitting a frequently used button or button bar) is no progress.
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It wasn't frequently used. And, again, it was just included originally as space filler because another team made us do the "app bar".
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How can you say it wasn't frequently used? Did surveys show, and we're in the minority? Highly doubtful to me.
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We have usage data in the application (Product Improvement Program), as well as observations from customer visits. Many users just hid the app bar ("waste of space" was a frequent description).
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So empty space is better than options? Give me a break on this...I wouldn't believe this comment in a million years...either way, it's completely irrelevant, because you could HIDE it if you didn't want to use it...wonderful!
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Chris, in your responses, I feel like you've never used Photoshop before...such as as a photographer or designer. To say: "there is no reason for space filler buttons that duplicate existing functionality," would be like saying, there's no reason for keyboard shortcuts because we can access those commands in the menu. I find your response to this issue a bit disheartening. Perhaps as a developer, you're taking this quite personally, because we all liked a specific feature that caused no harm to anyone but yet it was removed...and it sounds like, another "team" was responsible for this, and you weren't? So, by us supporting this option, we're really supporting another team...and not yours? Let's not make this political or personal...the fact is, easy to find buttons should not be removed and MORE should be added. (Why don't we just strip the entire UI and go back to menus only? Obviously, that's silly.) This is a step in the wrong direction of user functionality, and that's not an opinion. I would hope Adobe's response to this would be, hey, thanks for the feedback, we're sorry we (somehow) removed a feature that you all really liked, but unfortunately it isn't possible to add it back into this version's UI because of how it's been developed...maybe CS7.....as opposed to, it was filler, no body used it, (basically, you're all stupid, etc)...that's not a concerning or understanding response...especially when not only did we all use it, but multiple us by thousands and thousands...we're just the ones with enough time on our hands to write about it!
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I agree with Evan. The VAST majority of users have no idea how to find this forum to voice their opinion on this subject. Right now I have a huge empty space across the top of PSCS6 where the Application Bar used to be. On my 27" monitor there is 14 inches of empty space between Help and Essentials while in CS5 there is Mini Bridge, Bridge, Guides and Rulers, Zoom Controls, Arrange Documents and Screen Mode. Zoom Controls is the one we miss the most since it provided stepped zoom levels that are not available in the View>Zoom dropdown. if you think this was not a useful feature then you need to go back to why it has been is so many prior releases.

Arrange Images also provided custom layouts that are not immediately available in Window>Arrange and allowed us to very rapidly select the combination of views that work the best for the situation at hand.

I can't believe that Adobe jettisoned these features and left an empty space in their place. This needs some escalation and better review.
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There can only be empty space if you changed the Photoshop layout to leave empty space. The app bar is gone, and the default layout and workspaces changed (moved up) to account for the fact that the app bar is gone.

The app bar was only in two releases (CS4 and CS5), because another team made us add it, and we filled the unused space with a few buttons that duplicated existing functionality. When that other team went away, and the purpose of the app bar went away -- so did the app bar.

Regardless of whether people know how to find the forums - we know how little the app bar was liked, and how little it was used.
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Recently moving from CS4 to CS6 on Windows 7 and ran into the taskbar clutter issue ( http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh... ). Obviously there has been no solution to it since 2011 ( http://forums.adobe.com/thread/776460 ). So I'm forced to find alternative workarounds. Have been trying out the tabbed view to avoid the taskbar clutter for a few days now. Having to dig into the menu (Window>Arrange>) to arrange my tabs really feels like Word 2003! FGS, it's 2012! Rread about the convenient "application bar" on the web... only to find that it's removed in CS6. This is frustrating! Why make users digging into the menu instead of a handy "arrange documents" button?
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Many of us miss the Arrange Documents button. Chris, I hope you realize how arrogant and dismissive you sound: "We know how little the app bar was liked....." How about something a bit more responsive to your customers? I've got over twelve inches of empty space where those buttons could easily reside.
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AMEN!
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all parties would have been best served by making the panel user selectable, but i guess when intra-agency turf wars are involved serving all parties equally isn't the goal.
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I stumbled upon this thread when I Googled "what happened to the window > arrange button in Photoshop cs6?" I want to add my voice to the chorus of people who really miss that little button and I find it really annoying to have to go through a menu process for something I have gotten used to just clicking a button to use. I've only been a Photoshop user since CS4, but I'm amazed at how often I go to click on the arrange button and find it not there. I really hope Adobe takes our concerns seriously and brings it back in an update or future release.
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. . . and I miss the Bridge Icon also. PS CS6 serves few and irritates many. If it wasn't for ACR 7 needing to reside on CS6 I doubt many would upgrade. MANY folks on many forums seem to agree. As a LONG time user (PS1 on the Mac and 2.5 on the PC) I have seen many changes. Yeah, and I still have the software on my shelf for every single version and taught PS CS3 and CS4 at the local college for 3 years. I would be lost without Photoshop. Sad.
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I too want to add my voice to the chorus: I want the Arange Documents button back!

Chris, just because you did a little survey where "most" respondents said they never used the button - that does not mean it's not used at all.
Taking it away completely and not making it a user-option was idiotic.

Perhaps you need to do another survey.
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The data came a huge sampling of users who opted in to allow us to see how they use the application. You can opt-in (first launch of Photoshop after install) or by selecting:

Help>Adobe Product Improvement Plan...
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Thanks for this reply about the Product Improvement Plan. As far as I can see, one can only "Stop Participating" or "Keep Participating", but it doesn't look like we can specify what we want to see improved.
As in CS6 the Arrange Docs button has gone (much to our dismay in this thread), Adobe can only collect data such as "people are not using "Arrange Docs". :(
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That's correct - the Product Improvement Plan tracks product usage on a macro and micro scale (Overall usage, and individual feature/button use). The point being that it wasn't a 'little survey' - the team's decisions are based on usage data from hundreds of thousands of customers.

We have multiple ways to collect data and product input. This site is another way to collect data and qualitative data and suggestions. We also do customer visits, prerelease/beta programs, forums, social media as a way to collect user feedback.

More info here: http://scottkelby.com/2012/photoshop-...

Sorry the image links are broken. I sent Scott and email to let him know.
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Since as you say, Jeffrey, this site is another means for collecting qualitative, user-experience data and suggestions, does this mean that our concerns will be seriously evaluated and the designation of this thread's topic as "not a problem" be removed? I still can't understand why this button can't just be a toolbar customization option; those who don't want it don't have to have it on their toolbar, end of story. Over the years the web, computers/devices, and software/mobile apps have democratized so many processes that I suppose it's hard for us to be told that we can't have the *option* of organizing and working with our tools the way we want to. But perhaps that's a topic for a different thread in a different context.
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I'll be honest. It's extremely unlikely to come back. The commands are still available via one click - and because the commands are available as a standard menu item now, you can assign a keyboard shortcuts to the commands, making the feature more powerful (and it's also a lot less code to maintain).
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Jeffrey,
Thanks for the keyboard shortcut suggestion. Prefer the button, but....
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I appreciate your honesty, as well as working on a Sunday. ;-) I must say it's a pity though, but something I've experienced with other software as well.
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Just using CS6 and figured I'd post. Had three images tiled...wanted to consolidate all. What a pain. This is like if car companies removed the button on the key fob that opens the trunk. What do you mean I can't open my trunk from the keyless remote anymore? Hey, lazy loser who purchased our expensive product, all you have to do is unlock the door, open the door up, bend down and find the trunk release button either below your dash board or on the floor, and then pop your truck and walk back, big deal! Geez, lazy people!
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Same for me. I'm teaching Photoshop. I don't how to explain to my student that the Photoshop cs6 for changing tools is worst than the cs5. No tool with application bar, depend on context...
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This might have been talked about already, forgive me but I didnt read every post of "where is my button", but you can edit your own Keyboard Shortcuts in CS6. Edit > Keyboard Shortcuts

I too used that button alot but also found it easier to just map the views I use the most to a hotkey. To be honest, with my Keyboard Shortcuts set, I dont miss that button anymore.