PS CC2018: Brush Issues

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First at all, in general I like the changes in the brush management, it could be better but I guess it's a good step forward.

The first 'issue' I found is that the 'Restore Default Brushes' is not working as expected, historically that option replaced all the brushes with a default set but actually its Adding a bunch of default brushes to the list, and it does the same each time you select 'Restore Default Brushes', so the only way to 'Reset' is deleting everything and then loading the defaults.
Here's an example of what happens:



The second issue is worst, I'm a little bit confused about this.
I'm trying to update all my previous brush sets that were made as TPL files, the new 'Convert ALL to Brush Presets' is a good help, sure! but after the conversion all the Stroke previews are not reflecting the Pen Pressure so the Stroke Preview is not as accurate as we expect!
Taking those new brushes and creating a new one without modifing it the new Stroke Preview looks fine, as expected... but I'm sure that's not the idea! I have more than 1000 brushes created so actually to convert the old TPL to ABRs and have the proper stroke preview I need to do a huge amount of work!
An example:



Thank you!
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Cristen Gillespie

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After a bit of experimentation, it seems what is happening depends upon the what's enabled or locked in the Brush Settings panel. In the screenshot, the top brush is from the set of favorites of your tool presets that I have and I converted on load. The second brush is the one I got after figuring out that I had to unlock Shape Dynamics (locked for another brush previously during the session), and making sure the settings matched the imported brush. The third brush is one of the trials where all I did was create a new brush and let all the boxes in the dialog stay checked (obviously including color). That one came out with an improper brush stroke due to the fact that I did not look at Shape Dynamics and notice it was locked in the new brush, but not in the original converted brush.

What's really weird is you're seeing the exact opposite of what I'm seeing. At least for the brushes I have of yours, all the ones that should show a tapered stroke are showing just that. Could it be that the tool settings on import aren't taking over the settings in the panel for every setting, although they should be?

Okay, I tried it and that theory didn't work. I imported a full set of your brushes that I hadn't converted before, and on one import, I unlocked and enabled Shape Dynamics. I deleted that import and repeated it, but this time with Shape Dynamics disabled and locked. I got the same tapered strokes in my previews.

So. . . is this time for you to delete preferences, and if that doesn't work, let us know the OS you're on? I'm on El Capitan

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So. . . is this time for you to delete preferences, and if that doesn't work, let us know the OS you're on? I'm on El Capitan
Hey Cristen, thank you for the reply and tests!
which 'preferences' do you mean to delete?
I'm on Windows 10 with the latest update
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Really weird! I've tried 4 or 5 times to convert a bunch of my Tool Presets (The Fountain Pens from the cartoonist brushes) to ABRs using 'Convert ALL...' and it fails to create the proper stroke thumbnail... then I deleted all that ABRs converted only one TPL to ABR and worked well, another and worked well too... so I used again 'Convert ALL.." and it worked well! and without touching or modifying the settings ... so it looks like a random behaviour :-/
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After saving any custom presets and closing Photoshop, press Ctrl-Alt-Shift-click on the app icon to launch it. Keep the keys down (at least I do having had it ignore me when I released the keys early), and a dialog will pop up asking if you want to delete your settings (preferences—I can't remember the exact wording.) 

That's how you delete preferences which contain all the settings PS saves out on close and seems rather easily corrupted, especially between versions, but it is a bit of a PITA getting them all back the way you want. I make it an adventure into What's New in Preferences in order to feel better about the time I'm taking. And still manage to forget to reset my History options or Eyedropper option, etc, then think my PS is broken. <G>  You can, of course, record an action as you change your settings right after you've deleted your preferences, and that will keep a clean copy somewhere (such as the desktop) in case you delete them again. Only good for one version, really, since preferences change every version it seems.

However, if you're finding the stroke preview may or may not be right on import, and works best if you import one unconverted set at a time, then we've maybe got something going on besides Preferences. You can always try that if you are feeling very experimental, or wait for someone from Adobe to pop in here and walk you through more sophisticated troubleshooting to see if it is indeed a bug,  phases of the moon, date of the original file, or whatever.<sigh>

As as aside, this release seems to be adversely affecting Win10 users even more than High Sierra users, and that's a brand new OS—but it's early days yet to see what might come in.
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Thanks again Cristen. I allways forget the Ctrl+Alt+Shift thing to delete Preferences!
Well, it doesn't change anything about the brushes trouble but then I discovered something weird:



I don't know if that's supposed to be the normal behaviour, it feels a little bit confusing.
As I'm working on the update of all of my brushes I'll keep testing this.
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This just gets curiouser and curiouser. The preview isn't updating to show exactly what tools settings have been applied???? Until you actually use a brush in the set, at which point PS says "oh gosh, I better display the real settings."  Not normal. Is it something happening upon creating the group on Windows that keeps PS from knowing about the Shape Dynamics setting?

I'm just not seeing it happen with tools I hadn't already converted here on my Mac. They show up with Shape Dynamics.

What you're seeing is not supposed to be the normal behavior. At least, not for those of us who purchase your sets, rather than create them. I don't know if being a developer has added in any other factor, but I can't imagine why it would. We obviously need some help here from the Adobe folk. They usually get to most of these threads within a few days. Right now they're a little bit busy (understatement<G>) but I'm sure they'll be along.  We'll just try to keep this thread popping to the top of the list.
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Well, nothing new. It seems that the Brush Engine sometimes load the right stroke preview quickly and sometimes it doesn't or it's generated with some kind of delay. Anyway, I know that the ABR files are not broken with this issue.

But... another problem:
with the CC2018 update we can't generate an Eraser as before!
I mean if I select the Eraser tool and then try to click a Brush to use it as an Eraser it just selects that brush as a brush, so it changes from eraser to brush. If I want to have an Eraser with the same properties of a brush actually I need to copy all the settings, and that's not very useful, its a mess!

Why there's no shortcut to the Brush different Modes?
I found very useful to change the Mode of any Brush to 'Clear' to use that Brush as an Eraser, so it would be fantastic to change that with a single key!
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You can save a Brush either with or without the Tool info. If saved without it will be tool agnostic just like they always have been.

Option shift r is shortcut for Clear blend mode
Option Shift n is shortcut to reset to normal
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Thank you Mike.
I'm sorry but it wasn't always like that!
Eg.: In CS6 (and I'm almost sure it was until CC2017) after selecting the Eraser Tool (E) you can click any brush in the Brush Presets Window and use it as an Eraser, you don't need to save the brush without any info! Just click the Eraser Tool, select a brush and boom! Done! I can save it as a New Eraser quickly. Actually that takes more steps and isn't so clear.

I'm on Win 10, on CS6 Shift + Alt + r works perfectly changing the Brush Mode to 'Clear'
But... on CC2018 isn't working!
I tried it many times without luck.
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>  (and I'm almost sure it was until CC2017) after selecting the Eraser Tool (E) you can click any brush in the Brush Presets Window and use it as an Eraser, you don't need to save the brush without any info! Just click the Eraser Tool, select a brush and boom! Done! I can save it as a New Eraser quickly.>

I just did that in 2018. When I saved it I clicked on Save Tool Settings. I now have that brush as my eraser. No idea where the name came from—it was the default name and not the name of the brush I used to create it from.

 BTW, I never use the Option-Shift-R for Clear because then I totally forget I've changed my brush to an eraser that way, but the kbsc works just fine for me.

I might not have been clear enough, but I did click on the Eraser first, then on the Brush Preset, then used it in the document, then saved the new Preset with Save Tool Settings. Just to let you know I was following your issue with it switching over to become a brush instead of an Eraser.

And I took my own recommendation to start with a clean slate when moving to a new version—deleted Prefs, setup completely from scratch, then saved my fresh prefs to another folder. So I'm sure old prefs aren't affecting behavior now.


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