Problems with the new Object Selection tool.

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Problems with the new Object Selection tool. Win 10, CC21.1.1 - the object selection settings are not available! See them being used on tutorials, but Adobe talks about them only for the iPad . Any suggestions?..
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Not that I can tell you why, but the Object Select tool doesn't appear to load with the default workspace. Click on the 3 dots at the bottom of the toolbar to open the edit toolbar section — look on the right  side for the Object Select tool and put it in the left side.  It will be normally clumped with the Quick Selection tool (W).  You might want to save your tools as a custom preset—just in case something hides it from you again.

If this doesn't work, let us know.
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Thanks for the reply, Cristen, but that wasn't exactly the problem.  I do have the Objext Selection tool in my tools, it's just that I don't have a specific "settings"  capability.  When I use the tool, all I have available is "select subject" and "select & mask".  According to tutorials I've seen, there should be more settings available.  As such, I cannot make "sensei" additions or subtractions to the original selection made by the O. S. tool.  Yes, I can add or subract with regular tools, but they are not these smart selections.
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Well, you're right you should have more settings. On the desktop, you should see the entire Options bar settings. You should see icons for New, Add, Subtract and Intersect. You should have a Mode (lasso or rectangle). There are also 3 more. Weird that you don't have them.

BTW, you should  be able to use "sensei" additions and subtractions with standard kbsc. Hold Opt/Alt to subtract from while using the tool, Shift to add if it doesn't automatically, Shift-Opt/Alt to intersect. In fact, your cursor should show + and - and x in it. But unless you have a complete Options bar, what works and what doesn't is up for grabs, because that's the elephant in the room. And you can't even switch between rectangle and lasso without that, far as I know.

If all of the Options bar settings are missing  except Select Subject, Select & Mask and the Tool icon, try resetting the tool—far left next to the Home button, and then open the widget menu. without that, I don't know how you can reset the Tool, apart from trashing Prefs.

If you can't get the Options bar to fully display,  try trashing your Settings file (preferences) —saving your unsaved presets first.  Something has gone wonky in your installation somewhere. And/or, the other standard "remedy" is to uninstall/reinstall.

In cases like this, screenshots are invaluable. If nothing works, let us see what you see—or in your case, it will be what you don't see. Someone might have a clue from that.
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Not all the option settings are missing, just two that seem to be crucial.  I'll try to post a screen shot here to help out - if you can make it out, what I'm pointing to is the attempt to add to the original OS selection with the "add selection" option (yes, I understand how that works).  What I'm led to believe is that the additional selection will be "smart" selected, recognizing the subject boundaries.  That's NOT what's happening - again, it might be hard to see, but I'm trying to add to the original selection which missed the tip of the leaf.  Using the add tool gave me an addition, indeed, but not a smart one.  Just got added material, not recognizing subject boundaries.  (Quick mask turned on after the fact, just to help see what's happened.
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It should, theoretically, be a smart selection. The lasso ought to be fairly close to the actual subject. I know the tool works frequently if I get the size of the selection right, but doesn't appear to always work.  Smart isn't perfect. And it can take more than one try to get it to get it right. If less outside is failing, try more. It can even become more frustrating that just taking those final steps with conventional tools, as you've found.<G>

I have found that just making an Object selection over and over a few times will often get it, but I'm not sold on whether that is worth my time. It would depend upon how hard it would be to fix it any other way. But just like size of the brush matters with Quick Select, so size of selection matters with how well Object Select appears to be able to read the difference between object and background. That and of course how different the color is from what you're trying to extract it from. So you want to be sure to include enough of the foreground color if it's having a problem knowing where the edge is.

Have you tried without Enhance Edges turned on? I've heard some comments that that one can be problematic with some edges.

BTW, I don't see any crucial options missing. Nor do I have any more features on the iPad. They're just in different places. What settings appear to you to be missing?
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What seems to be specifically missing f rom the options are Sample All Layers, Enhance Edge & Object Subtract.  And can't find anything to the left of the Home button!
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Those three are to the right of the Mode drop down. You've got them. You have the narrow Options bar enabled (as do I), and its Sample All Layers, Enhance Edge, and that Object subtract that is an automatic thing for subtracting from the interior of an object.
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Oh, and I probably misspoke. To the left, next to the Home button, is the icon for Object Select. The twirly arrow leads to the widget menu which leads to the reset tool option, but I don't think you need to reset the tool. Just your expectations of how absolutely marvelously it will select for you. <BG> It is often a big help. Just not always.
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Well, DUH on me!  What I had seen on an online tutorial had them written out with check off boxed, looking way different.  Just never stopped to read the fine print!!  I'm so sorry that you took so much time to help solve my stupidity, and much appreciate it!   (But the "smart" add or subtract options aren't much good, or much of the time...)
Thanks again so much!
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Don't be sorry about it. I'm not.  :)   Yes, that narrow options bar is VERY different from the regular one.<g> And the iPad version is even MORE different.

Smart add or subtract can help if major bits get added to or left out of a selection, but the closer you get to small changes, the less good it seems to be. That's why I've said that I'm not sure it's worth the time and effort to get a perfect selection with it. My approach has been to treat it like a good start on one, particularly when Select Subject isn't getting me very far, but then go with the old-fashioned manual tools to refine the selection.
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And did do the preferences reset to no avail