Photoshop: Support scalable user interface UI for high resolution monitors

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I'm using a high resolution monitor(2560x1600). As a result, all the the toolbar fonts and menu fonts are small and hard to see. I do not want to lower the screen resolution as this would defeat the purpose of this monitor.. Will the new CS6 have the ability to increase font sizes to accommidate Hi-Res monitors?

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Good idea. We can't comment on specifics with regards to future versions of Photoshop.
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Nice segue out of a bug fix. It should be a free software patch, not an upgrade with a cost attached. Flaw corrections are not upgrades.
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I don't know how Adobe can deny that this is a problem; especially for newer monitors with higher resolution. There are many, many comments on the topic:
"Photoshop and Elements: A way to change the UI colors" that is on this forum. Many users are complaining about the dark UI panels with the grey or black tiny fonts. It is almost unreadable. In PSE, when I move my mouse over a tool or something in the R. side panel I have to get my face about a foot away from the monitor to read it. I have no problem reading any other software on my computer, including 2 other photo editing programs. So this is not only a problem for the CS5 but also PSE. I have tried adjusting the font size on my computer but it doesn't do a thing for PSE. The change needs to come from within the Photoshop program. Users are begging for a change. Is anyone at Adobe listening????
I suggest customers voice their opinions on Amazon.com about this product. If Adobe won't listen to consumers, they will listen to profit margins.
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Agree
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agree
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I have spent a lot of time learning photoshop but my eyes are aging. When is Adobe going to fix the icon and font issue? I think I can still take my edition back to Costco but if I can't, I will eat the cost and go look for some alternative I guess. Adobe, are you brain dead on this issue?
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This applies to PSE 8 as well. I just purchased it for my new computer and am so disappointed because I can hardly read all the UI printing. My monitor's screen resolution is 1920 x 1080. I have read many, many complaints about this. With all the newer monitors having higher resolutions it is obvious that their should be UI adjustments within the program for font size and also colors. The color contrast is poor as well. The printing is so tiny in some letters that there is a black "glob" in some of the letter spaces. This is not what I expected from Adobe. I'll be going back to Corel.
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My iMac monitor is set to 1680 x 1050, and I find the the interface items difficult to see, to the point of exasperation. I hate to think what will happen when I move to a bigger screen.

The buttons in the toolbars and panels are too small. The UI text is too small everywhere except the main menu bar. I changed the UI text size to "Large" but the result is not really large, and in any case that setting affects only a few items in the UI text. To make matters worse, a lot of the text is non-bold, and it is generally displayed against a shade a gray — a cardinal sin for readability. All of these presentation qualities need to be under user control.

In addition, the ability to colorize individual items in the UI ought to be expanded. Every menu command and button should have a color choice, and the range of colors should be broad.

On the web, I have seen other complaints about the readability of the Photoshop UI, but so far Adobe has not acted on these complaints. I'm hoping we don't have to wait much longer for this problem to be solved.
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my pc is on 3840 x 2160 on a 4k 28 inch monitor. I have just reinstalled PE9 on a difference drive from the C. I cant see the text and the icons are too small. It was ok before but it had to be moved, as the C is now a super fast M2 drive but only half the size of the previous C.
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The menus and palettes in CS5 are way too small. This is going to be an insurmountable obstacle for some users, and a definite annoyance for everyone else. It would be very helpful if the menus and palettes could be re-sized. I'm seriously considering returning my purchase and going back to my old version simply for the convenience and ease of having decent-sized tools. This is a very fundamental problem in an otherwise fantastic program and needs to be addressed.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Menus and palettes in CS5 are way too small and can't be re-sized..
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Photoshop has never had UI any more scalable than what is in CS5. We've been adding features to scale the UI, not taking them away.
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On my 30" Monitor, CS4 Menus and Icons were not readable unless resolution was reduced. Since then I have moved on to less expensive software that can handle screen sizes and resolutions used by professionals. Now CS5 has arrived carrying the same baggage. Guess my decision not to upgrade (at an insane cost) was a prophetic one. What is Adobe's plan to fix the problem and reduce software cost as well? Is suspect that the answer will be redaction yet again!
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What "redaction" are you talking about?
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My penultimate message no longer appears here.
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Sure it does. It's right here: http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
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Thanks.
How many separate threads are here and elsewhere, that address this product deficiency?
Why are there no intra-version PTF's offered by Adobe for their products?
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I merge the topics into one authoritative topic to track all the votes/comments on specific issues. That way all the "me toos" get collected better than a bunch of random threads.

We do provide updates/dot releases/patches for our products. Photoshop is on version 12.0.4 (meaning 4 updates to address the most critical issues) Camera Raw has had 6 updates for new camera support and bug fixes, and Elements has 3 updates since it's release (2 on win 3 on mac).

As Chris said on the other thread, Photoshop has never had a feature to change the scale of the UI in the way that's being suggested on this thread. It's not simply a bug fix. It's a large scale change/feature.
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To answer you question about how many different threads, I've merged one other request into this one.
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The "let them eat cake" attitude remains. We are not telling you how to fix the problem, that is the job of the software developer, Adobe. We are simply stating that the menus are unreadable and they need to be made larger. If Adobe wants to maintain market share, they need to fix this problem. It is one fix for the entire product line, unless of course, OOP technology is not being used here.
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Hi Jeffrey, thanks for merging keeps all of us having the same problem together. Now is there going to be a correction to all software PSE and Photoshop, for those who are having problems seeing our menus and such? Its long overdue
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The User Interface (Tool bar, Application Bar, Etc) is too small and should be able to be enlarged easily by simply dragging the edge of the box, or some other way in the preferences. This is for CS5, I was using CS1 and there was no problem

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Small Tool Bar.
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Thanks for the request. The tool bar in CS1 and CS5 are actually the same size - although monitor size and resolution has grown over the years. It's something we need to address as monitors and resolution continue to grow.
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Jeffrey, thank you very much for your clarification of the problem. I and others appreciate your concern.
Steve
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I'd like to double-check if every poster in the thread is aware of the existing UI font scaling options available in preferences>interface>UI text options (CMD+K (Mac) / CTRL+K (Pc))

For the moment, for those having issues with the UI size,
There is also a way to scale the view on a Mac, by holding Control+Scrolling (or two fingers slide on a trackpad)
Windows offers the magnifier (Right-click on the desktop, select personalize, on bottom left, pick ease of access)

I'm wondering if the menu bar size is not a parameter that is controlled by the OS.
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No that won't work...you have the same problem in spotify
The menu obd tollbox is not controlled by OS
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I change my preference to large icon in UI ....remembering to close and reopen PS after making changes in Preferences. It didn't work.
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There is no option under Preferences for Interface on Bridge CC 6.2.0.169
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Also, I found a way to increase the size of an application on a Mac, but I would strongly label that with "Try at your own risk!" (if it is still valid in 10.6 or 10.7): http://www.macworld.com/article/14217...

I'm also wondering, on the Mac side, if universal access can be of help.
In any case of scaling, I would expect artefacts.

For PCs, there is a way to scale some system fonts by going on Personalization in the control panel, and selecting Adjust font size,
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I have a high resolution monitor and adjusting the text size to the dpi recommended by Adobe in Windows 7 does nothing for PSE (don't know about Photoshop) . Besides, it changes the font size in everything else in Windows which is unacceptable. The change must come from within the program itself. Who wants to try and mess with the magnifier when working on photos?? An expensive program like this should have all these adjustments within the program and should have foreseen what would happen as higher resolution monitors were being developed. The tools are so tiny and the explanation of the tools which shows up when you hover the mouse over the tools are virtually unreadable in PSE 8. Strange that I don't have this problem with any other program on my computer where the contrast is very good and font size is acceptable.
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I have problem with hove bigg my tools and menu in cs5 are. Thay are to small.. Plaese help me I'm workin with a screen 27" 1920*1080

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Magda.
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I would like to see Adobe find a way to fix this too small tool box problem! After years of learning Photo Shop, I hate to have to switch to another photo editing program just because I can't see the tool box. And I can not see it!
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Please oh PLEASE have mercy on those of us over 40 who squint and struggle to read the tiny text and decipher the tiny icons in your UI. Can't we please have an
option to make the text and icons larger? MUCH larger? Oh Please! I travel A LOT and so do almost all of my work on a laptop --- I cannot lug a spare large-screen monitor around. Have mercy on us oldies -- please! I know I'm not alone in this request...

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Bigger, Readable UI Please!.
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This thread is over 5-Months old and no commitment from Adobe to issue a bug fix has been forthcoming. There are plenty of graphics program alternatives out there, so just pick one and move on to trading permanent eyestrain and unending frustration, for a temporary learning curve and a potential software cost savings. For me, Adobe no longer poses an impediment to my business; 4-months ago, I followed my own advice.
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I think it is time by this next release for Adobe to adress the issue for high quality HD monitors. 2560 x 1440, or 2560 x 1600, these are screen resolutions alot of pros like to work at. Can Adobe application engineers produce a scalable option or add an option to the Edit>Pref>Inteface to make the icons for tools and text fonts for menus larger than what it already there. I am speaking for HD screen resolutions that are pretty high. Either way, I loaded Photoshop Elements 10, a trial version nonetheless, and the interface was great, large icons and all, readability was fine, si it is truly a "in-Program" fix so the interface can be adjusted to HD monitors, I have a Dell 27 inch. I know, the current version of CS5 when set to 2560 x 1440 the interface components get smaller, and that is why, but, Adobe has to code a new version to be higher scalable for these types of resolutions. If they can do it in PSE 10, why not Photoshop? After all, CS6 is gonna go dark UI, might as well scale it up, too!!!! C'mon Adobe, I've been using Photoshop since vers 2.0 in 1995, you can do this. I know, alot of us pros have hotkeys memorized or whatever, but there are so many other features and techniques, I rather click select a tool and use my hotkeys to do other involved tasks. Also, the Layers panel has an option to make the layer boxes bigger, if its that easy to incluse, why not add to the whole interface of components, or at least just the tools bar and menu bars and the dialogue windows to make adjustments and all......And if you do, can you mk a patch or something so I can do it in CS5? At least until I can afford CS6..... :)
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UI is in 2PT font and, unlike any other program I own, will not enlarge text or icons and is illegible on a 27” screen. Complaints in forums seem to go back to 2006.

Seems to be a clear distain for customers, and mistreatment of anyone with even
small vision issues.
The suggested solution of negating the basic value of a new high res monitor by lowering the resolution is completely unacceptable...no other program seems to be this arrogant.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Resize UI?.
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As a long time Photoshop user, I'm disappointed that CS6 does not include an option to make ALL selections/type larger. The program seems to have been designed by teenagers with perfect eyesight. Unfortunately, many users do not have perfect eyesight and struggle to see the fonts and icons used in PHotoshop. STRONGLY recommend an option that would allow users to increase the font/icon size.

Also, many of the help items assume the user has the same knowledge as the software developer. We don't and often cannot find the "button" we're told to click. Recommend less knowledgeable people be asked to use the recommended help items to see if a "real" user can make them work. Unfortunately, many users finf these help items useless.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
CS6 FONT AND ICON SIZE ADJUSTMENTS FOR USERS OVER 40.
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My daughter has great eyesight (shes 27) and has trouble reading my screen with PSE.
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I'm 28 :) and just logged a similar comment and was wondering if others had it, and here it is!
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HEAR, HEAR Adobe!!
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I also wonder why they don't make the brush cursor more visible. It's so hard to see if the image and cursor colors are close.
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Microsoft with it Windows operating systems and suites of products has invested time and effort to support people with seeing issues. The code base for Microsoft must be huge in comparison to Adobe, but they invested the time and effort.

So come on aAdobe, do the right thing and make some announcement soon, before this thread get covered in cobwebs
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It would be great if I could enlarge the toolbar icons just a tad. If i could just spread the bar out a bit, and at the same time, the icons would increase in size. Same thing for the "add adjustment" area.

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Enlarge toolbar icons in Photoshop CS6.
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I have just upgraded to CS6. Cost me a lot of money - but I can't use it. Will Adobe be supplying eye tests and spectacles to customers? Or was the magnifying-glass left out of my software box?

Adobe - please listen, please act. The icons/tool panels are too small.
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The toolbar fonts and menu fonts in Photoshop are small and hard to see!!
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I'm using a high resolution monitor (2560x1600).
As a result, all the the toolbar fonts and menu fonts are small and hard to see.
I do not want to lower the screen resolution as this would defeat the purpose of this monitor.
Will the new CS6 have the ability to increase font sizes to accommidate Hi-Res monitors?
The buttons in the toolbars and panels are too small.
I changed the UI text size to "Large" but the result is not really large.
Large Fonts are only at about 2mm !!!!!! on the monitor!!!!
The program seems to have been designed by teenagers with perfect eyesight..
This is a very fundamental problem in an otherwise fantastic program.
The User Interface (Tool bar, Application Bar, Etc) is too small and should be able to be enlarged easily!!!
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That it's something that Adobe has to fix, I think.
I can see the menues, etc., but only when my face is inches from my laptop. It's like working blind. Horrible.
Large UI-Fonts in menu are only about 2mm!!!
Is there an update for CS6 to have the ability to increase font sizes to accommidate Hi-Res monitors?
Changing the screen resolution is NOT a fix.
Adobe is ignoring this issue!
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If possible, ADOBE will work on it to make this available as a feature in the next update/release of the product?
Manfred/Germany/Berlin

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The toolbar fonts and menu fonts in Photoshop are small and hard to see!!.
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I guess Adobe is too busy trying to find ways to rep-off its customers and doesn't have time to fix what they really want. Sometimes I think they think they're running an airline.

When companies fail to satisfy their customers, they are doomed to fail.
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It is a shame they still did not bother to correct this issue.

My eyes are going kaputt, thanks to Adobe!
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As people have confirmed, CS6 has the same issue, so it looks like I won't be upgrading. I suspect even if I did buy a 32" or 40" screen to edit, because the res is so high the toolbar would disappear to a line which would still be impossible to see.

I guess I could buy those magnifying strips that people use to read small font and sellotape a couple together and stick it to my monitor. But....considering I paid a fortune for both my mac and all the adobe master suite programs, I kinda feel slightly outraged on principle that I am having to do my own work-around and fudge things. Goes without saying whoever did the project didn't do any "real" end user testing or feedback, and if they did, it was probably considered too much of a change to warrant the cost of expanding the toolbar size. Shame, again profit vs customer satisfaction and loyalty and it would appear that minimal changes and sticking a 6 on the end is more important than actually creating a world class product that people would highly recommend. Think of all the people that have vision issues that this product will not reach due to this issue. They are nailing themselves in the foot and they don't even realise it. It would be interesting to see the ratios between product purchase vs expected sales vs actual and do a pivot table over the years to compare. I would expect to see, yes an increase in purchases due to economic growth, but on the grand scale of things in relation to the actual % of growth vs purchases over the year...a decline in sales. But again, I guess as long as sales figures do not decline each year they don't care. It will come back to haunt them.
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Larger displays are not higher resolution - just more pixels, or the same pixel count over a larger area.

On a 30 or 40" display, the toolbar would be the same size as on a 21" display at the same resolution (pixels per inch). And on most of those displays, it works just fine as-is. Only on higher resolution displays (like the new retina displays at 200 ppi) is the size a problem.
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I don't know a person who has 40" display.
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I am surprised that Adobe did not consider those with short-sightedness, regardless of age.
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@Chris, You are defending a defenseless position. The toolbar should be scalable, period, end of discussion. What you are doing is called deflection, not addressing the problem subject. If I were your boss, you'd be in trouble.
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Oh, it should - but not for many of the mistaken reasons listed in this topic. (and you need to read my responses more carefully)

It should be scalable for true high-resolution displays (which are just now available).
It should be scalable for people with vision problems.
But larger displays don't increase the display density, and don't need scaled UI components.
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My 1920x1080 monitor has a ppi of about 102 and I do not have vision problems. The text and tool icons are way too tiny (not to mention the light gray on dark gray text). Why is it I have no problem viewing any other program on my computer?????? Why are all of us complaining about this program????
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Normal display resolution is between 72 and 96, so that's about normal size.
I have no idea why it would be smaller on your system than it is for millions of other users.
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@chris. You are defending a defenseless position. Try using your company's products on ANY hi-resolution monitor and get back to me. Are you guys required to use 800x600?
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It's smaller on my system too. It was fine as long as I used Windows XP, but when I went to Windows 7, (64 bit) Indesign text got smaller. I'm using the same monitor. So, Adobe needs to fix this problem! I won't buy another upgrade until they do.
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The UI should be scalable and legible and adaptable to customers needs. Lion OS and 27” screen were available long before CS6 and CS5.
Despite purchasing reading glasses for this purpose alone, I'm left with eyestrain and headaches every time I struggle with Photoshop and this program is the reason I got a high resolution screen.
Perhaps Adobe considera it a minor problem and we'll get a downloadable fix.