Photoshop: Support scalable user interface UI for high resolution monitors

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I'm using a high resolution monitor(2560x1600). As a result, all the the toolbar fonts and menu fonts are small and hard to see. I do not want to lower the screen resolution as this would defeat the purpose of this monitor.. Will the new CS6 have the ability to increase font sizes to accommidate Hi-Res monitors?

Thanks

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I've been using CS6 for so long now, that I have developed a natural "Photoshop squint".
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Axiom

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^ lol
:)
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There are no comfortable alternatives except to code-in the freekin UI settings to be larger in icons and text menus ,.. honestly, you can set a layers box to be large enough on a wider monitor but not the stinking tool bar ... c'mon people!!!!! this is an easy fix that is necessary not just FOR eyesight issues but a comfortable workflow. Too tiny an icon makes it take longer actually be fast and select it. not everyone uses hot keys for EVERYTHING... fix the darn options so users can mk those things that we want bigger so it's easier to work. monitors are getting wider horizontally more than vertically.. so larger icons in the toolbar will not take up space alot as it would on a smaller monitor of old.... that being said,..CHANGE THE DARN OPTIONS ALREADY !!!!!!!!! I mean really!!!!! it's large enough in a layers palette ,.. and you can't do that for other components in the interface ......??? Adobe,.. wake up!!!!
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Promoted Responses = Redaction
The list of negative comments here use to be much longer.
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Nothings been redacted. There are just two pages, and the second page only has a few comments on it.
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Axiom

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my fault.. i'm a writer lol

well not actually, I'm just verbose... o_0
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JT (CCA),
If the removal of most of the comments accumulated here over the last 12-months (mine included) is not redaction, then what would you call it? Page optimization? Or perhaps, damage control? (In any event, that effort would be better spent introducing visual ergonomics into the software product.) The Adobe Dogs: ‘blame it on user eyesight’, and ‘blame it on the equipment they use’, are not hunting well here. In these cases, consumer advocacy (CA) needs to be taken to the Board Room and from there to a development team willing to successfully address Continuing Product Ergonomic Issues.
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3 comments were removed by another admin. 1 was spam, and 2, according to the notes, didn't conform to the community guidelines.

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

We appreciate everyone's vote for this request. The topic is marked appropriately and the team has been actively working on future support for higher resolution displays.
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I made at least 5 posts here, and probably more, most of which were responding to those of others. All are gone now. I suppose two of them were "redacted" as I offered software alternatives in them. As for the many others, a system DC gremlin must have eaten them I suppose.
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Hi William, I assure you, they're not gone, though they may have been hidden/collapsed when the comments sections for replies become longer than 3. (see the 'view 3 more comments' link at the bottom of your reply above.
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Not true. My comments and many others have been removed. I get e-mail notifications from this forum so I know when new comments appear and can quickly discern when these same comments have been removed.
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Silly observation maybe... But if focus is on Retina displays, that's lovely, but it may not actually address the issue :

Option one is to detect and increase automagically based on screen rez - that's hard, and may not be user configurable.

Option two would be to have a selectable "level" with built in icons and the current scalable font option. So "simply" add a small medium and large level for icons?

Most people in here are not worried about "resolution" per say - they are worried about actual size of the UI icons and text... Photoshop allows font enlargement so that should rollover to AI, indesign, etc.

But the tool icons themselves seem to be the prevalent "request".

I may be misinterpreting what you're saying, but potentially having more pixel density in the icons is pretty, but not exactly an improvement right?
We don't "need" a highrez icon as much as we need a larger icon.

So when you say it's in the works, can you elaborate?
Can we chime in during the process rather than after?
When you say future support, what kind of timeline is that?
This thread is a year old, and a year ago staff said they were "looking into it".
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It's a multi-facited problem. Retina support is one aspect, the ability to display the UI at at enlarged factors is another (e.g make the text and icons 2x larger)

Retina support was added in within the past year (but note we didn't mark the thread implemented - as we still need to address some aspects of customers requests.)

We can't talk about specifics on future releases at this time. There are customers actively testing and giving us feedback on future releases in our beta program.

The faq I posted above gives a lot of good information on how we leverage customers input on this site. I've reposted the link here:

http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...
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Hi Jeff, thanks elaborating
- for the FAQ, I kinda already knew the purposes - but I still have to poke a little *smiles*

However, I would totally and wholehearted chime in to be a beta tester!
Where do I sign up?
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For Mac there is a retina supporting version of Photoshop now. Why is there no way to use the higher resolution icons and all on regular displays too. Not to heighten the resolution of each seen icon but to enlarge it? On my PC with a 2560x1450 27" display, all the menu bars and icons are pretty small and I really hoped the retina changes would me integrated in a way so you can increase the size of all the menu bars/icons, too.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Photoshop UI Scaling.
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I have this fear that a simple thing like making fonts large enough to actually read is going to cost us a whole bunch of money.
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The UI font size is already changeable, and has been for a few versions.
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ok, how?
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Preferences : Interface: UI Font Size

Change it, then relaunch the app.
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I guess I wasn't clear. I am talking about Bridge. There is no "interface" option in preferences
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You're right - you didn't mention Bridge at all, and the topic says Photoshop.
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I kind of have this problem already. My laptop has a 13 inch 1920x1080 screen (very nice wide-gamut IPS-like :P), which is incredibly high PPI for Windows PC standards. Even when the Windows DPI setting is adjusted (also known as "large fonts", which is not what it is) the GUI (and text) in Adobe products remain tiny.

So not only is this a neccesary thing on emerging high PPI screens, it's also poorly conforming to Windows settings. I haven't seen Adobe products on Retina Macbooks, but logic predicts nothing but pain (literally).
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Please read the rest of the topic. Photoshop already supports Retina displays on MacOS.
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the adobe UI supersedes the windows settings completely for most apps.

As a result we have reinventions of the wheel multiple times and they aren't even consistent with each other within the ecosystem (photoshop supports enlargement of fonts, whereas Bridge does not)

One would think they'd just pick one interface and run with it across all the apps, you know, cuz they're so busy and all, and interested in streamlining?

There was a time when adobe apps darned near all behaved the same way with only tool changes... but everything went to off on it's own tangent right around the time they bought macromedia.
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I can't believe Adobe have not fixed this problem already. CS7?
FIX IT PLEASE ADOBE, no more squinting (squinting and straining causes blindness, seriously) (Office 2013 fonts are beautiful)
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Hello,

Has Adobe CC incorporated scalable interface, made ANY changes at all to the interface to make things larger or easier to see?
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Photoshop already did that with 13.1 / 13.0.2 on Macintosh.
Windows is more complicated, and we're still talking to Microsoft about how they can make it work correctly.
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some of us saw it before the defensive removal. Adobe's focus is on becoming
an online only fee based resourse. They may eventually fix this problem, but
marketing matters more than users health or comfort. CC is a marketing masterpiece- what used to be updates and bug fixes is now exclusive buyer content.
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I concur.
I was surprised at the removal as well as it's not like we don't get email notifications containing the comments, so like it or not, it's out there.
Interestingly, there is a photo above of photoshop on windows 8. Note the "title bar" "X" close/minimize buttons of PS compared to the "close" button of the preferences window.

You can plainly see Adobe has modified the windows interface to display it's own "glass button style" to the windows window, and did not apply this to the preferences window.

This means Adobe itself is creating the interface icons - not Microsoft.
It's also why we can modify our windows with "desktop themes".
MS just gives us a shell to work with.

I'm tempted to edit the adobe icon files with larger icons to simply prove the point it can be done. But without additional coding skills, I have to way to make a preference to "switch back and forth" - but I may be able to make two "large and small" files that I "rename" prior to launch.
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You're making a lot of bad guesses based on very incomplete information.
And "bigger icons" won't work.
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Please try to stay on topic. And please don't try to speculate about OS APIs and code that you have absolutely no idea about.
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Chris, you mention that you're in discussions with Microsoft and that "bigger icons won't work." I'm guessing both comments refer to making Photoshop respond to Window's icon/text scaling options?

It'd be a neat feature, but isn't it insanely complicated? As you mention, it's not just icons/text but also windows and tabs that have to scale. As far as I know there is NO (non-Microsoft) program that can do that - many of my programs respond to those settings by letting resizable text disappear off the edge of fixed-size windows.

I for one would rather control it manually within Photoshop anyway. I'm not a programmer, but a checkbox in Preferences>Interface that makes toolboxes xyz% larger and switches to different/larger icon/swatch/etc assets seems a lot less stressful than waiting on Microsoft.
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There are problems with the Microsoft scaling APIs that prevent us from doing a simple percentage scaling across the application, and even make it difficult to do a 2x scaling correctly. Again, we are talking to Microsoft about this, and continuing to work on solutions. It just isn't nearly as simple as it sounds from the outside.
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Jeez, what is that guy's problem? Kinda glad that comment was deleted. I'm genuinely curious about how all this works and I appreciate you answering my questions, Chris.

I understand why scaling is tricky, for various reasons, especially Retina with the some-things-are-scaled-some-aren't confusion. What I was getting at in my question was not scaling but multiple UI configurations, similar to the way you can click a button to change between UI layouts in Bridge, or the way you can click a button to switch between a "ribbon" layout and traditional pull-down menus in AutoCAD. Why couldn't you just allow the user to switch between two UI "layouts" that were, in this case, the same layout at different sizes?
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That's just a method for switching the layouts -- that's the trivial part after you've done all the work for making the UI work at different scales.
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Thank you for answering my question. I guess I don't understand why it's so difficult either. However, I am not a Windows programmer. As an end user all I can do right now is to move to another program, which I have. My issue is not with any hi-dpi or "retina" type support, mine is with physical size of the interface. Let me see if I can explain this better. The competitor's vector/raster suite's interfaces are quite customizable. They allow the user to choose Small, Medium, and Large for toolbar icons, and most other interface items. My issue has to do with physical size in pixels of the interface icons and text, but maybe that is still to vague, so I will try explaining below.

Just to give you a rough idea of the size differences in the competing program's icons and nodes, I roughly measured them. My resolution is 1920x1080 on a 17" screen. I don't pretend to be an expert at measuring interface icons with scientific precision, but I used screenshots of Illustrator and the Competing Program, and opened them in Photoshop. I roughly measured one of the toolbar icons, the magnifying glass. I did not include blank space around the icon.

Adobe Illustrator's magnifying glass icon from the toolbar was approx.17w x 17h, the competitor's approx. 18w x 18h. However, the competitor's icons are sharper and have better color and line contrast so they are much easier to see. The competitor's Medium magnifying glass icon is approximately 25x25 pixels, the large is approximately 33x33 pixels. The latter is way way larger than I need. If I set toolbar icons to "Medium, then the whole toolbar changes from 18x18 icons, to 25x25 icons, so the graphical icons are bigger, and the toolbar becomes longer and wider in appearance.

I feel if they can do this, then Adobe can too. If they want to.

The competitor's menu and toolbar text (File,Edit, Image, etc), and the drop downs for those, as well as almost all the text in the interface listens to my Windows settings and displays text at a size I can see without squinting. I have the toolbar on medium, but everything else (there are dockable toolbars at the top with loads of icons and text) on small. This setting satisfies me.

Additionally, the selected/on hover nodes in a path are also approximately twice as large (A: 5x5, CP:11x11) , with handle ends approximately three times as large as Adobe's (A:5x5 circle, CP:11x15 arrowhead). This and other visual cues and variations make a huge difference after staring at nodes and paths for hours on end. I know this thread is about Photoshop, but I have to compare apples to apples, and Photoshops interface, most probably, is exactly the same size as Illustrator's.

Due to the above, I can work for hours without migraines in the competitor's software. I had to move from Illustrator for my health and to get work done. The interface led me to stray but the other changes currently at Adobe, which are not on topic, have led me to stay with the competitor for now.

Thank you for listening. My hope is that this explains my issues a little better, provides feedback for possible future improvements, and that this has been helpful in this discussion.
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Thanks for the clarification. Yes, that is part of what we are hoping to address, in addition to higher DPI displays.
And yes, there are frequently hidden complications that only the programmers see when they start trying to use the OS APIs that are supposed to provide functionality like that. Yes, it's always more complicated under the hood.
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It should be obvious to all by now that Adobe will not fix the UI of this segment of their product line anytime soon. Instead they will wait till it is too late, when their customer base has left for competing products. Only then will they offer an upgrade for megabucks. Smart move Adobe, just “Let them eat (some more) cake”.
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How do I get version 13.1 for Mac
I bought CS6 in February and it says 13.0.4 is the latest version update?
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13.1 is the subscription/creative cloud release.
13.0.4 has the same Retina support, without the new subscription features.
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I agree completely with Axioms comment about Adobe having blown it regarding customer satisfaction. Our "Sr. Computer Scientist" needs a lesson in customer service as indeed I do feel insulted by the way he condescended to tell me although I paid serious money for the CS6 premium suite (only 4 months ago) I really do not matter to Adobe and will not be getting any support or updates.

Believe me when I say it - I will NOT be buying anything from Adobe again.
I guess the policy change of sky high monthly rental or nothing for Adobe products takes care of that anyway.

Goodnight Adobe.
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Small problem: I, nor anyone else here, has said anything like that.
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So When do I get 13.1 update for mac?
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See my first reply to your post, above.
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I asked when I could get version 13.1 which according to our 'expert' solves the problems - all he said is see above - that is no answer.
Either I am missing something in this blog or our 'expert' is being evasive.
If I really am missing something please show me the real answer.
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cuz if you can "auto detect" a retina monitor and load the larger icons, why can't we have a check box for a manual option
- you know, like the check box to use my massive video card here... how is it easier to "auto detect" a retina display to auto choose icon sizes than it is to detect an HD5870 to use OpenCL?
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Because using the Retina display is not just about switching icons.
Because MacOS tries to do a lot of the UI scaling, and any UI scaling done in the application has to exactly match the OS.
And because icons only account for about 5 percent of the UI.

If you want the feature, just ask for the feature. We've already said plenty of times that we're working on it.

But trying to reverse engineer something you have no earthly understanding of, and trying to tell experienced engineers who do know what is going on how to do their job -- is really not helping your cause.
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Hey gang,

The engineering team is aware of the feature request to support HiDPI for Windows. Supporting HiDPI is a priority for our team. We'll update the topic when we have more details to share.

Thanks.
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Hi Jeff, welcome!
If you don't mind me asking, when you say adding support for HiDPI on Windows - do you mean making a scalable UI for any resolution monitor?
Or simply making Icons appear the same size as they are now on a "retina" monitor?

See, we need the ability to enlarge the UI in general - regardless of monitor resolutions. It's pretty much what all this is about.

The examples citing larger displays were to illustrate that the UI gets even "smaller" as you use large monitors, and though we can enlarge the UI fonts, we cannot enlarge the icons to allow for a more comfortable work flow.

I only ask as there seems to be a large amount of misdirection from another "employee" as they keep talking about retina support and other "complications" - when the rest of us are pretty much simply asking to make things bigger or smaller - like the UI "font size" preference.

We have asked for progress, and keep being told only about retina support progress - which is not what we are asking about.
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Hi Axiom, Windows is a different beast than Mac, but you should be able to achieve what you describe in the future - Sorry, I can be more specific. We'll update the topic when we have more details to share. Again, supporting HiDPI is a priority for our team.
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What are needed here are updates to products in the field as well as new releases. In comparison, a description of vapor-ware serves no useful purpose. A commitment to release an UI updates by dates certain, followed by interim progress reports, might save your day. For any other solution, Adobe is going to have to sustain an additional loss in market share.
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We cannot commit anything about Microsoft's release dates.
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yes, Jeff already said that in a nicer way and William here was talking about adobe's road map and how it would be nice as a customer to know when to expect things so that Adobe itself is "accountable"
Joomla does this and it's used by millions and it's free.

So saying it's Microsoft's ball is not accurate nor fair - especially since there is no UI change planned for Windows at the moment as it's been the exact same since windows XP - I can use Win XP "themes" in win 8 so the UI isn't really different "under the hood". The only change is that win8 "removed features" like Adobe did with the window tile button and hid them in other locations - or turned over their control to developers, like, um, Adobe.

Again, since Adobe controls it's own UI it is in Adobe's hands to rectify the issue. Other software non Adobe described in this thread does this, so it's not an OS issue that is insurmountable., it simply requires some attention.
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You might not be aware that there are significant changes needed from Microsoft, and we have been working with them on this issue for quite some time. Yes, there are quite a few "under the hood" changes in Win8 that are not apparent to the end user, and that help get us all closer to useful UI scaling.

This request is a priority for us, but we are are dependent on the OS for functionality that is not available at this time.

When we have details that we can share, we will update this topic.
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oh, huh.
Well. No, I guess I had no clue whatsoever that Microsoft required changes in any way.

I'm sure they are working diligently to improve their services for you

Well... in the meantime, maybe you could chat with the people over at Corel...
http://coreldraw.com/forums/t/33935.aspx

They also seem very helpful.

i think they use some strange newfangled technology called, um.. XML or something for something called a user interface?

http://painterfactory.com/blogs/dans_...

See, they didn't worry about "scaling" within the operating system per say, they just made physically larger icons, and a preference for the user to choose small, medium, or large - and apparently for those much smarter than me, the ability to swap out icons, so a person could make their own.

So regardless of MS's issues, um, Corel found a work around, and a rather "simple one" at that.
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Again, Microsoft is aware of the problems, and we have been working with them to get a solution to the OS problems and missing functionality.

And the links you gave are for simple icon customization - which really doesn't even start to solve the scalable UI problems.

Again, when we have details that we can share, we will update this topic.
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Hi Chris,
let's try this in a different way...
Let's simply assume everyone here actually understands the basic issues a coder faces when dealing with an OS and move forward.

I understand that a scalable UI is complex when it needs to rely on the OS API interfaces, however, in the case of the Adobe UI, this is not necessarily the case.
The primary issue mentioned in this thread has always been about having larger Icons. In almost all of the case, the request is for regular 72/96 dpi monitors.

It is Adobe itself who constantly talks about the scalability issue as being an OS problem, and I completely agree.

But, and I stress, please remember that most of us do not have a retina monitor, we are simply asking for a larger UI option WITHIN the Adobe UI.

Let me ask please:
When we enlarge the fonts in photoshop using the built in prefs to enlarge the fonts, is photoshop using the font scaling of the OS or is it using it's own internal font scaling option?

I ask this as the UI itself alters slightly to accommodate the change of the font size.

My thoughts are that the enlargement is an internal operation outside of the scope of the OS API's.

I suspect this because:
when I change the font size OS Wide with it's own font sizing method, other applications and windows scale as expected, but 90% of Adobe program fonts do not. This implies that the Adobe UI's are, for the most part, completely independent "inside" the OS "window".

So what I'm proposing is that Adobe simply - physically - make four sizes of Icons (small, medium, large, xxl) - all of which are native resolution of 72/96 dpi, but are taller and wider in physical pixels. And allow the palettes and internal windows to "enlarge" to accommodate them.

This would solve the readability issue of almost everyone here - and be a manual solution to use the "largest" icons on a retina display.

It essentially solves the problem - albeit it's manually accomplished.

It allows the user to enlarge via prefs the font and the icons, and allows Adobe to not have to fret with the OS UI limitations.

It would be interesting to have you Adobe techs chime in on this aspect of the topic and put the Retina display distraction you're focused on aside for a while.
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You really do not know the coding issues involved. That's why I'm trying to explain (at a high level, as allowed by NDAs) what is involved.

No, this is not just an internal application issue.
We do need fixes and additions to the Microsoft APIs. Microsoft understands this, agrees, and is working on it.
We want scalability, but are being held back by some OS issues (plus, it's a lot
of work). There are more issues involved, but this one is the biggest roadblock.

We are trying to make this work, but throwing in a bunch of red herrings is not helping your case. We will make this work, once we can, and we'll let you know when we have more information we can share.
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You have multiple UI configurations in Bridge, so surely you can understand our frustration that the same isn't possible in Photoshop.
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Simply put, Adobe programming staff wants to pass their 'Monkey' on to Microsoft. There is sufficient technology already in place to facilitate a fix to the UI scaling problem. Why they are not getting on with the fix is clear: management has not built a fire under those responsible for the fix. This is evidenced by the lack of commitment that would include a plan of tasks, a timeline of milestones, and a budget to get the job done.
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No, we've been working on this for a long time now, and found problems in the OS APIs. Microsoft is working on it.

We have repeatedly said that we are pursuing this - but sometimes there are fundamental OS issues that we simply cannot work around.
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Chris Cox // Your coders are fooling you. You can do it even with MS-DOS. What OS problem? nonsense. And MS is fooling you too. They hates custom UI, so they will not offer customizable standard UI forever. They just can't say they are not offering them. And current large setting fonts are too small even with low resolution monitors. By the way, How good is your eyesight?
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Again, we (the developers on Photoshop) are working with Microsoft on this. Nobody is being fooled, and we're telling you as much as we can without violating NDAs.

I've needed glasses for about 15 years now (and need to update my prescription soon).

If you can't see the fonts in Photoshop on a normal resolution screen - then something is wrong with your system and making things draw incorrectly (we have seen that happen to a few people - usually solved with a system reinstall, sometimes by removing bad utilities). The default font is readable on a normal resolution screen. The medium and large fonts are designed for higher resolution monitors or people with bad eyesight. Again, if Photoshop's UI seems smaller than most applications - something is wrong with the system.

The unsolved problem is for people with really bad eyesight, or high resolution screens. That's where we need to scale all of the UI (not just fonts and icons), and need Microsoft's cooperation.
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I feel like talking to a wall. My 5 systems are all ok. Small small small small and small. I said small not unreadable. And most of applications have scalable UI NOW. Seriously,what the h*** are you talking about?
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Chris Cox

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Most applications do not yet have scalable UI on Windows - partly because there are issues with the scaling support in Windows. And we are working with Microsoft to get that resolved.

Please read the previous responses in this topic for more information.
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I continue to think there are two different view points being discussed here.
And it's likely limited to the interpretation of "scalable".
It appears that adobe is considering the definition to be a system wide thing - or an auto detect based on monitor resolution - and this would be true in considering detection of a hi Rez display - which is an issue windows suffers.
But there is a second way to define "scalable" which most posters here are referring to - the option to "enlarge" icons within the ui itself.
When we look at the adobe interfaces, we have options dealing with the program and a few offer the option to enlarge fonts within the program. The adobe ui changes and allows this to occur. The rest of the os is unaffected.
So since adobe made icons for their tools and other elements at a certain size they could easily have made larger icons.
So when we ask for larger icons, we now understand that an all inclusive is option is complicated. But we are asking if within the ui itself the images used to represent tools and options could be made larger.
Illustrator allows for handles to be enlarge. This is the adobe ui's choice, photoshop allows enlarged ui fonts.
Again, it's adobe's choice.
So if we set aside the retort that the os is an issue and focus instead on how to implement a ui specific enlargement, we might have a better communication.

I've repeatedly suggested that the icons created for retina displays - which are physically larger than those for normal displays - be made available as a preference choice and not as an auto detect. This would allow the larger elements to be used for those of us who require physically larger icons to match the ui font enlargement option we also choose.
If the ui has the capability to expand to accommodate the larger fonts, surely that ability could be expanded to the tool bar to allow larger icons.
In short, because a manual choice could be implemented, all that would need to happen is change to the ui, independent of the os.
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Even getting all the UI elements to scale correctly and work on low resolution monitors is problematic with the current Windows APIs.

We are trying to solve the problems, but there are things preventing us from doing that in the OS itself.

Again, we are working with Microsoft on the issue.

We will update this topic when we have news to share.
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Axiom

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Chris.. A few days back you replied to my links to show how customization of the ui icons were done in another program.
You relied with
"And the links you gave are for simple icon customization - which really doesn't even start to solve the scalable UI problems."

My response is Yes. Customizing the ui with simple icon customization is really all we would like please.

Scalability - as an auto detect os thing - would be completely redundant if we could simple manually booze enlargements.

Without a manual option, retina displays simply show the "small" icons - the same icons we'd see on a normal monitor, rather than icons that are even smaller.

So though "hi Rez" icons are great to show "normally" on a hi rez display, they still cannot be made even larger.

So since you say it's simple, why not implement it?
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Just scaling the icons doesn't really help. The icons are only a small part of the UI.

Font scaling solved the problems for many people, but still causes issues due to dialogs not fitting common display sizes after enlarging the fonts.

We know what needs to be done, and are working with Microsoft so that we can get it done.

Please keep an eye on this topic: we will update it when we have news to share.
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Axiom

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I'm talking apples. You're talking oranges.
Currently in ps prefs if I choose large fonts there are no issues

If I enlarge fonts system wide... Only applications that don't use the os for rendering are ignored. Everything else works just fine.

So again... I'm not asking adobe to play nice with the os.
Or vice versa

I'm pointing out that your competition has solved this issue by allowing the user make the change within the ui of the program itself.
And solved they solved it a far ways back.

So you're telling me then that adobe has no earthly understanding of implementing this?
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What are you talking about?

I've been telling you repeatedly that we are working on this.
If you aren't understanding what we have written, please let us know your native language and we'll get someone to translate it for you.
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Axiom

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Now when I write comments like that they get deleted - by you. So that's ironic.

It's extremely plain that I'm talking about preferences to enlarge aspects of the UI. You keep saying its ms's fault.
I'm saying Corel does this natively, on windows, with user selected sizing.
You're saying you're working on it with Microsoft's help.
I'm saying Corel and other software developers managed to do it on their own.
You're saying that later icons are a simple customization but its only a small part of the issue.
I'm saying you already made larger fonts an option, and it's just a small issue that's now resolved, so why not make larger icons available and you have a second small issue solved?

You're still saying we should check back for updates... Well adobe blah blah CC software is now out and there's still no solution, and you never updated us here for those on macs who may want to know that CC programs now mostly support retina display.

So you're not even living up to your own statements.

But hey, why worry about an interface i cant see when I can make Qr codes in indesign and when I can't export from bridge anymore.

So really it's plain we get functions we don't need, lose functions we do and get patronized for asking for the obvious things tht should be available.

All for $60 a month. Forever.

Thanks for the awesome customer support and respect for your customers.
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Oh and by the way... My native language is Canadian English, and only a couple adobe apps have that option for the dictionary, because apparently adobe cannot make all apps have the same features (like UI font sizing)

So I doubt adobe could even translate for me, adobe isn't even listening to us.

Because we Canadian have wanted that feature for years too.

:)
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Please read the previous posts. What we've said is consistent.

We are listening, but are you?
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Thing is Chris - yes I hear you. I understand the issues with scalable things within an OS. You're not listening to me. Adobe's UI supersedes the OS. That's why a manual preference choice to enlarge the fonts in PS is there. It's why Corel allows larger fonts and tool images. They also supersede the OS and do it themselves in the UI preferences.

So yes, if you want a complicated, auto detect scalable interface or even just basic support for retina display in MS Windows then yes, you need MS's help.

But to have a manual solution you only need to make yourselves.
I'm not the one being thick here.

Heck I'm even conceding certain aspects of your points.

Why is it so beneath you to simply agree that a manual preference solution MIGHT be viable and simply investigate it?

Maybe look into adding that Canadian dictionary to illustrator too.

As stated by many of us, others do it and have done it.
So unless they have magic fairy code in their apps, surely your brainiac adobe software super awesome guru teams you keep bragging to us about can implement the same strategy.
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Let me break this down a bit more: you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. We do know the issues involved, and have said repeatedly that we are working on it. We can't do this quickly because we have found issues that need Microsoft's assistance to solve. When we have something more to tell you, we will update this topic with details.
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Sin Sangdo

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When I made a photoshop extension plugin like kuler with flex tools, which was fully scalable with no issue. Working on it? For 2years on this issue? Close or sell the company plz.
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Chris Cox

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That was using Flash, not native OS controls.
Please read what has already been written in this topic.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Photoshop CS6 interface too small.


The user interface in Photoshop CS6 is so small that it is virtually unusable on my laptop. I have to go on memory of what the items and icons mean.

It seems to be designed to be used only by eyes that are less than 25 years old.

This is a major problem
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
All Adobe Products: Resize UI for large screens & high resolutions..


ALL Adobe products require the same fix! Large monitors are NOT supported with full 1080p resolutions, period.

Here's the thing, full HD on a 50" screen for example, makes all the tools very small, and all UI text except for that which windows controls.

I've seen many posts with replies from the Adobe community staff about DPI, when they clearly do not grasp the fact DPI has NOTHING to do with images or there size, which includes all tools & text within Adobe interfaces.

So if I set the windows TEXT DPI to larger (150%), everything displays correctly from web browsers to many other software apps, except for Adobe products. Again, ignore the file / edit etc menu bar, I'm talking the products UI which you CAN NOT ALTER!

There's one small option within preferences for making the UI font small, medium or large, which has insignificant impact & again doesn't effect any tools.

Especially in todays world where monitor & tv sizes have increased & devalued, any artists working on larger screens are suffering. Generally it's OK for people with say 20 - 30" screens who sit at a desktop, but anything more, where you can't sit close to the screen, it's a problem.
It's also still a problem for some at those screen sizes too, however not so much so.

Having a fixed size UI, especially going into the future, just isn't good enough, I'm sure Adobe must be aware of 4k being around the corner & of general screen sizes & resolutions, so surely a solution where the customers can alter the interface, is far better than the out of date, fixed sizes.

Almost all areas of the UI can be moved, snapped & such, however they can not be enlarged, with all adobe products, this is the same problem, not just Photoshop.

Just as the designs for all Adobe products are universal, so should the options to change the interface in both size & layout, be universal accross all products.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Menus and tools are too small...not scaled to display resolution.


The Photoshop user interface does not scale the menus and tools to allow me to use the software with my laptop's high resolution display. I have a 15.6" laptop (XPS 15). Photoshop looks okay with my 1920x1080 22" monitor, but sometimes I like to do simple editing with a laptop. This isn't the only software I've had a problem with, but Microsoft software looks great, so I know it can be addressed,
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Whe will HiDPI for Adobe Photoshop be implemented? In Illustrator its already done and it works fine..


Its not possible to see the menu bar well in HiDPI Monitors. The menu structure has been changed within Illustrator but Photoshop has been forgotten?
We all have to pay for our suite, so it would be nice to use it in an adequate manner.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Photoshop in 4K unusable..


CS6 interface way too small for my 4K monitor. Text UI is already set to Large. Can we have an Extra Large option that triples the size of Large? This is going to increasingly become a problem as 4K monitors become more popular.
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Yes. The team is working on this. Thanks.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
The user interface font is absolutely tiny even after setting interface font size to "Large". Running on Windows 8.1 on a Samsung laptop..


This is extremely frustrating as a first time Photoshop CC subscriber. There are three user interface font size choices in Photoshop "Small" "Medium" and "Large". Large is way too small with a modern QHD+ LCD.

This is completely unreadable!
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Here is a fix. No I did not come up with it, but It does work on my 3200x1800 13" display.

1. Enable Windows to prioritise external manifests by creating and setting this registry key HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\SideBySide\PreferExternalManifest (DWORD) to 1
as mentioned here (no need to install the mentioned hotfix, just create the registry key)
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/91294...

2. Create a Illustrator.exe.manifest file in notepad, paste this text inside, save it, and copy it to the same folder as Illustrator's exe file
http://pastebin.com/BZnKwU6a

3. Create a Photoshop.exe.manifest file in notepad, paste this text inside, save it, and copy it to the same folder as Photoshop's exe file, you can use the same file for Dreamweaver, just paste into Dreamweaver.exe.manifest etc...
http://pastebin.com/AiZiicT6

4. Run the applications, no need to restart or anything else, and their interface should now have an acceptable size, but a bit blurry as usual with this kind of scaling.
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The XML says it's for 32 bit. Can this be changed to 64 or is this only supported by 32 bit?
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Ed Bennett

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I have only tested it on 64bit, I would assume it works on both.
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Jean Michel Le Goff

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Hi,
I don't know if I make something wrong, but I can't make this fix running on my system (win7 64 with a 4K display)
It don't change anything for AI (64 or 32bit) nor in PS (32bit).
The only response from the system with the fix activated, is that the Photoshop.exe can't be found...
with the registry key removed, Photoshop starts normally.
Did I miss something ?

Thanks
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Jean Michel Le Goff

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Do I have to replace/update the "versions" number ?
my PS CC version is 14.2.1.570 not 11.0.0.0
VCRT90 is 9.00.30729.1 and not 9.0.21022.8..
or it don't mind ?
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I just received a Lenovo Yoga2 Pro with the QHD screen (3200x1800) and the miniscule text and menus in Photoshop Elements is driving me nuts. Does this fix with Windows 8.1? The knowledge base article from Microsoft says it only applies to Windows Server 2003. If it does work with Windows 8.1, will it work with Photoshop Elements too (i.e., can I just use the Photoshop.exe.manifest file or will it need to be adapted to Photoshop Elements)? Thank you for any assistance.
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Dave Mayer

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I gave this fix a try on my Lenovo Yoga2 Pro. I changed the registry entry as directed and then created a "PhotoshopElements 11.0.exe.manifest" file (using the Photoshop.exe.manifest from the link provided edited to replace the file names accordingly) and placed it in the same directory as "PhotoshopElements 11.0.exe'. I am sad to report that this seems to have no effect on the menu/text sizes in the Photoshop Elements user interface on my 3200x1800 screen. Any suggestions?
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I have been waiting patiently for the better part of a year, and all I've seen is redactions and excuses. Bottom line, you're on the verge of losing a paid customer here.

Here's what we're demanding: The ability to read the UI and click on the widgets. Photoshop is completely unusable on a modern workstation monitor.

I have good sight, it's comical how small everything is with a 31" 4k panel.