Elements: Problem with 16 bit files

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When I import a file from Lightroom (6) to Elements (15) to edit, I get the message that I cannot work on 16 bit file!!!  I never had this problem with Elements 10 before upgrade.  Your agent says, in a chat, that Elements 15 is not designed for 16 bit files.  Even if so, I don't want to see this message again and the agent says there's no solution for this, meaning I have to see this weird message all the time!!!  Is that right?  Have I paid that much to upgrade to Lightroom 6 and Elements 15 to have this problem that cannot be solved?  Thanks!
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JEA

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What operating and version of lightroom are you using?

What does the exact message say?

Can you post a screenshot?

You get the message when you try to open a file from lightroom into pse 15 or do you attempt something like using a tool on the image before you get the message?

While it's true photoshop elements has more limited support of 16 bit/channel files than photoshop, you certainly should be able to open them without any messages.

You can go to Image>Mode and click on 8 bits/channel and then all your editing tools and commands should work with the file.
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Farya Pirbazari

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Windows 10, Lightroom 6, Elements 15.  Yes, I get this message only when importing a photo from Lightroom.  I did not have any problem with Lightroom 5 and Elements 10 until I upgraded last week!!!  And the heal brush is active (I leave Elements open 24/7) most of the time, so when the photo is imported, heal brush is on.  By the way, thanks so much for your reply and your time...cheers!
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You must be trying to use the Healing Brush Tool or are inadvertently pressing the mouse button after you image is imported is the only way i can think of why that message is being displayed.

Unfortunately most of the tools in photoshop  elements don't work on 16 bits/channel files.

Lightroom has an Spot Removal Tool.

https://helpx.adobe.com/lightroom/help/enhanced-spot-removal.html
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I know...spot removal in LR is okay with small objects; however, it's not as good as healing brush in PS(E).  And generally, after LR edit, there are more edits to be done in PS than only healing, so most of the time exporting files from LR to PS is really needed.  Anyway, thanks for your help.  What I wonder is, in the paired LR5+PSE10, I never had such a problem; this started after upgrading to LR6+PSE15 last week!  This is annoying when you pay CAD$220 for the upgrade and you encounter this problem that you never had, if you know what I mean!
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When you were using pse 10 and LR 5 maybe you had the LR preferences set to export 8 bits/channel files.

In the LR 6 Edit>Preferences>External Editing you can change the Bit Depth to 8 Bits Component (same as 8 bits/channel).
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God, problem resolved!  You were absolutely right dear JEA and it works great as before...no weird pop up message!  I really appreciate your help.  Thanks sooo much!
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Instead of using the 'Open in Elements' function of Lightroom, simply save the result as 16 bits .tiff or .psd and from Elements, use 'open' and you'll get your 16 bits file with all the available functionalities of Elements. Nothing less in version 15.
By the way, if you have already edited your files in Lightroom, you have fully taken advantage of the 16 bits editing to avoid posterization and none of the steps you are doing afterwards  need 16-bits.
Elements does not support 16-bits for  layers or local tools.
- Layers: if you stay in 'normal' mode for compositing or collages, strictly no advantage with 16-bits. That would be different with exotic blend modes like difference or filters like equalize, but if you have already edited in Lightroom, you should not need them.
- Local mode edits (including the healing brush) don't gain anything from 16- bits.

So, make it simple: set Lightroom to export in 8-bits for Elements. It's the same with the ACR version of Elements: you can choose to 'Open' in 8 or 16-bits in the editor, but I have found that 99,9 % of my files don't require 16-bits after the ACR or LR stage. And I am very picky about posterization especially with black and white.

Just curious, I am not at home now and I only have PSE15, not LR.  I believe that if you set LR to  create a .xmp sidecar file to store its edits, Elements will open your raw file directly in its (limited) ACR version with all effects applied, even if you can't edit all of them... no need to create an intermediate .tiff/.psd. Unless I am wrong in the above asumption, the original file 'opened' in ACR can be sent to the editor in 8 or 16-bits depending on your needs.
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Wonderful.  You are really helpful my friend.  Thank you so much for your time and precious help.  I was thinking I was losing quality in this procedure, but now--from your reply--I understand it's not a big deal.  Cheers.