Premiere Elements 11: Need ability to lock an audio track so it won't get fragmented.

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Premiere Elements 11: Please enhance PE to enable a user to lock an audio track so it does not get fragmented during normal clip editing. This capability is essential for making tightly-synched music videos.
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Satish Ramakrishnan, Employee

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Thanks for your input. I understand the concern. We will try to add a feature for this in the future releases.

Regards,
Satish
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Thank you for your interest, Satish.

I would think that adding a lock-control at the beginning of each track (on the screen) that inhibits the ripple-effect for that track would do the trick (just guessing). While you are at it, might as well include the ability to lock any kind of track, audio or video.

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Satish Ramakrishnan, Employee

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What you could do is use the "Group" option. This is available in the right click Menu on the timeline. If you have some clips that you would want to be treated as a single entity, you can select them together and right click (without losing selection) and say "Group". This option is only available in the "Expert Mode". Let me know if this is tending towards what you are looking for.

Regards,
Satish
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I expect the "group" function would effectively tie multiple tracks together -- although I have not seen any documentation on this feature, so I am somewhat guessing.

My problem has been that sometimes if I do an insert or edit video tracks in various ways, the bottom audio track ends up with a gap in it. I do not know the precise cause and effect. Maybe it is a bug. Or maybe I am doing something wrong. Either way, editing would be facilitated if there were some way to protect a track from fragmentation so that it will never end up getting modified while other tracks are being edited.

If there is a trick using "group" that will effectively protect one or more tracks, please explain in detail.

Thank you ... Reed

PS - In my experience, the the repeated fragmentation eventually created an "orphan" that could not be removed. An Adobe support person said the file had become corrupted, and that this was a bug ...
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For moving around assets in the timeline, editing or deleting them together, Grouping is one concept. As I mentioned it is on the right click menu in the timeline. You can experiment with it to understand how it works. It should be trivial.

The other one is a "Ripple" deleting. This is enabled by default in Premiere Elements. What this does is if you delete an asset, the ones after that just shift inwards - automatically. This is done so novice users of Premiere Elements do not accidentally leave empty space in the project, that would otherwise remain if moving or deleting objects.

To get around this default behavior of ripple delete, press shift when Moving or Deleting a clip. This should ensure the other assets remain in-place.

Unfortunately to explain any further, I will have to connect to your machine and show it to you, because it will have to very specific to your particular use case. But these are two general concepts that can enable you to get editing without any unforeseen problems.

Let me know if this helped.
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Actually, I did not originally intend to get you into "support mode."

My understanding is that ripple is inhibited by a ctrl rather than a shift (as you mention above). I think the function might be reversed on your Pro version of Premiere ...

Ripple-inhabition prevents rippling through all tracks (as I understand it), which might not be the intent if a person has many tracks. The idea of a "track-lock" would be to always protect the only locked track(s), regardless of that the user does (until the user intentionally unlocks the locked track). I think this would save both the novice and experienced editor from frequently correcting time-consuming side effects.

I appreciate your help, but I understand that you are a programmer and that supporting users may be out of your scope of responsibility. I am just trying to communicate a need, hoping that it would be an easy (but useful) feature to implement.

I will experiment in my next project, coming up soon.

... Reed
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Satish Ramakrishnan, Employee

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Yes, I am on the software side of things. But I can definitely help you out in case you want me to connect to your machine and help you out with your concern, or if there is a bug, understand it better.
Send me an e-mail at prehelp@adobe.com and I can take it further.

I still though suggest you try the non-Ripple delete (Shift+Delete) and the Group options and get a feel for them. They can be really useful when you are in an advanced stage of editing your clips.

Regards,
Satish
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OK, I will experiment, as you suggest.

Because other people may use this thread for help, I should mention that I am using a Mac. The Shift button plus delete does nothing. If I push a (Mac) Command button plus move -- the move happens and ripple is inhibited. On my Mac, if I attempt to do a delete with a Shift or Command, then nothing happens. In other words, it seems that deleting a clip does not work if either Shift or Command is pushed.

BTW, I re-verified that fragmentation occurs of the Naration and Soundtrack if a person simply moves clip B in front of clip A. I don't think that this is what a person would normally want to happen. However, the Command plus move prevents the two sound tracks from being fragmented -- which is helpful, at least.

... Reed
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I have a tangent problem.

When inserting a Freeze Frame, PRE splits all other tracks. Ideally I could lock the other tracks to prevent this.

Any work-arounds or ways of locking a video track?