Premier Elements 2018: No longer supports burning projects to BluRay

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We all know that projects burned to SD DVD look like crap when seen on an HD TV.  

This is a blatant move to force customers to the Pro version.  Much like the move to force photographers who use Photoshop CS6, like me, to pay a monthly subscription for the privilege of upgrading.  I have been an Adobe user of more than 20 years, but our relationship will end as soon as I find an alternative provider.
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Please restore Blu-ray (and AVCHD) authoring and burning to PrE 2018.

I’ve been an enthusiastic PrE user since the very beginning, and always update to the latest version when it becomes available.  My motivations for upgrading are (in order), improved stability and bug fixes,  faster performance, and new features.

However, the latest version, PrE 2018 shocked me when I learned that support for authoring Blu-ray discs was dropped.  Note that I found out the hard way.  I used PrE 2018 to complete a 90 minute movie of my daughter’s wedding. However, when I went to burn Blu-ray discs for the family I realized that Blu-ray support had disappeared.  Dropping a feature like this without mentioning it in the product announcement,  release notes, or read-me file is really unethical for a highly professional company such as Adobe.  Shame on you!  Also, since I just invested in a new Windows desktop for video editing and paid extra for a built in Blu-ray burner (had to purchase the Dell commercial line, rather than their less expensive consumer model), I am particularly annoyed.  

Fortunately, I had kept PrE 15 so I was able to complete my Blu-ray project and keep the family happy.

I realize that Blu-ray isn’t as popular as it used to be, but for us amateur video makers who distribute their work for viewing on large screen HD televisions, it’s really the only practical option.  Distributing to non-tech family members via online (YouTube & Vimeo), or USB memory sticks just doesn’t work for us.  Many in my audience don’t have internet connected “smart” televisions, or, if they do, are challenged to make it work.  But, they do have Blu-ray players and know how to use them as they regularly watch Blu-rays movies from Red Box and Netflix.  Also, they really appreciate having scene menus to quickly locate favorite scenes, especially longer movies (e.g., video yearbooks, weddings, etc). 

So, my key requests are:

1.       Restore Blu-ray (and AVCHD) authoring and burning to PrE 2018. 

2.       Change your product strategies to promote upward compatibility, so that customers aren’t left high and dry when a new version is release.

3.       Change your business practices so if an existing feature or capability is dropped (for good reason), you

      Announce it to the user community in advance,

      Highlight it in the product information, release notes, read-me, etc.

      Provide a “work around” such as  recommending alternative public domain software

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I had exactly the same issue when I bought Premiere Elements 2018 to upgrade from version 13.  As I stated in my post at that time, everyone knows that slide shows and videos created in SD and viewed on an HDTV screen look like crap.  To me this an Adobe tactic to force advanced amateurs to upgrade to Premiere Pro. This is much like the move to force Photoshop users, like me, to pay a monthly fee for the privilege of using creative cloud, in which I have no interest.  I too have been a long time Adobe user.  I may not be much longer, however.
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Agree with all the above, entirely.  Has the accountant taken over software engineering?  No where do I recall seeing that bluray support was dropped before I upgraded to PE2018, it is as if I have gone back to PE ver.8.  It is ludicrous to be forced to create a 60-90 min travel video without a menu structure or watch it in DVD quality. What a stupid dilemma to create!  My camera, bluray player and TV screen go forward and Adobe goes backward
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I have been a consistent Elements upgrader since version 3.0, so I looked at the comparison between Premiere Elements version 15 & 2018, saw no reference to removing BluRay authoring, upgraded to 2018, and a month into a large video project found out that I could not create a BD disc from PrE 2018 nor could I open that project in my restored PrE-15 which does have BD publishing.

     Equally bad, after converting my Organizer 15 catalog to Organizer 2018 and removing the version 15 catalog, I found that, since version 15 could not open or convert my 2018 catalog, I had to create a de novo version 15 catalog, thus losing all the image recognition, albums, stacks and version sets, and hidden flags.

     This is very poor customer service! Please either restore BluRay publishing, or provide a work-around, or offer a refund.

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I had the same problem, only worse.  I had to update the operating system on my iMac to use Elements 18.  I struggled for days to download a project to BluRay before stumbling on this communication thread.  Unfortunately, I could not go back to Elements 15 because of the operating system upgrade.  In Elements 15, you create an ISO image, then right-click to open with Disk Utility.  Guess what?  Disc Utility is no longer in the OS upgrade.  Instead you get DiscImageMgr, which doesn't function the same.  I was able to save an MP4 file, then use Elements 13 to burn to a BluRay disc, but Elements 13 doesn't burn reliably.  Also, my Organizer 18 updated my catalog, but when I tried to make a back-up copy, it corrupted my hard disc by adding thousands of picture copies.  Again, days of work to restore my hard disc.  This is unbelievably poor performance by Adobe.
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I will find a new program unless Premiere Elements 2018 gets BD support. 
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Dont think this is ever going to happen due to the Dolby Licence.
https://helpx.adobe.com/x-productkb/multi/dolby-end-of-support.html
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Adobe’s Dolby discontinuance of support “announcement” was very poor.  Although it technically might satisfy their legal and business practices folks, its simply not appropriate for their consumer user base.

1.       The announcement was made far too late - ‎November‎ ‎29‎, ‎2017.  It should have been done a year ago.

2.       The announcement was way too vague and incomplete, especially for their consumer hobbyist base.  To a casual reader, the words imply “no big deal as long as I stay up to date with Windows”. And, the announcement’s description of Dolby encoding support suggests that its something extremely advanced and unusual.  Instead, the announcement should have specified exactly which functions would be impacted, when (in the future) that support would be dropped, and why this needs to be (e.g., Dolby charges an arm and a leg for licenses and its simply not cost effective for consumer product.  In addition to better timing and more complete description, the announcement should have posted in the appropriate user forums and (maybe) even sent as an email to Adobe users.

3.       The third party work arounds (Minnetonka & Dolby products) aren’t appropriate for consumer hobbyists as they are extremely expensive and the end user has no idea how to use them (hopefully they are “plug ins” to PrE.)

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I was a friend of Ray Dolby's before he passed away.  Ray personally told me that Dolby Labs receives an average of 8-cents per device license.  I do not believe that this is "simply not cost effective for a consumer product."  Adobe, you owe it to us all to provide a way to burn our projects to BD.
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Dolby is often unjustly cited as a driver of poor management decisions by technology companies. Sad to see Adobe following the crowd in this way - they should be ashamed to have let themselves down in this way. Personally I don't care about burning or not burning, but I do need at least a Blu-ray iso which I have found another way of doing via Cyberlink PowerDirector 16 Ultimate.

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Even several review sites have missed the removal of BD support, eg: http://www.toptenreviews.com/software/multimedia/best-video-editing-software/premiere-elements-revie... I sent them an email a week ago but no change on what they are telling prospective buyers so far
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So as I thought, if you wish to upgrade beyond Premiere Elements 15, you will be forced to move to Premiere Pro to be able to burn your projects to BR.  Corporate greed, pure and simple.
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You are not forced to move to Premiere Pro.
You can export in Elements the video and audio separately: m4v and wave.
All you need is authoring software that will accept the two files, make menu and burn to disk (or make iso)
One of them is TMPGEnc Video Mastering.
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Which is a crap, by the way! Why did I said that? I use TMPGEnc Mastering Works for a while, and I recently got their latest version: #6. It's still one of the best video editing software, so I went right through their site to buy TMPGEnc Authoring Works 6 for BD authoring. For auto-created menus and stuff, ok... but it's all stuck!! I just can't do any of the free layout edits and video chapter links like I used to do back on Adobe Encore, for example. A very powerful software at a technical level, but lack of ux. Sorry :(
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Let me get this straight, Ann.  Adobe's answer is that Premiere Elements users should not only purchase Premiere Elements 2018 and above but also spend an additional $100 for TMPGEnc Video Mastering and start from scratch to lear that software.  Is that a fair assessment?  Do you see any lack of fairness in that to your loyal customers or is Adobe's loyalty only to their executive bonuses and stockholders?
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I am not Adobe, this is just a suggestion from me for someone who already bought 2018 and still wants to burn BD's
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Sorry Ann.  My apologies to you. The ACP after your name led me to believe that you were someone from Adobe.  My mistake.  Thanks for providing a work around.

In my case, I will continue to Use Premiere Elements 15 until it breaks.  If Adobe has not included the ability to burn to BR by then, I will seek out another application.
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That is OK. ACP means Adobe Community Professional. I am an user of Adobe products just as you.
I think I will drop the acp after my name.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Premiere Elements 2018: Return Blu-Ray Functions.

Blu-Ray and AVCHD Disk functionality was removed in 2018.  It was in a couple versions before that.  Put it back!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled blu ray disc and VCHD disc output missing in premiere 18.

Bluray and AVCHD feature removed from Premiere 18 disc output, please put feature back is why I use your products . Will go to other suite if needed ...Thank You
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The point isn't that there is a work around, the point is that it is absurd to market a consumer editing package capable of dealing with (at least) HD video that isn't even able to create a Blu-ray iso! I have now exported my project into Cyberlink PowerDirector 16 Ultimate which does exactly what I did with Premiere Elements until the 2018 version.

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Actually, rather than discontinuing blu-ray capabililty, Adobe should have expanded it to include 4K blu-ray as well!!!  Maybe they'll get the message when they see their consumer product sales drop like a rock.  You can help by NOT upgrading to PrE 2018!!!
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This is simple insanity by Adobe. With so many great inexpensive HD cameras around, you can’t keep quality in your output. Shame on you Adobe!
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Dear ADOBE Management !
Who lost his mind here ???  Absolutely no indication that such an essential feature was removed in the 2018 version. That is outrageous ...  I wish your car maker will put a wooden bench in your next car you buy.....
How much more would be the Dolby license ???  I would even pay a few bucks more, to get the BD authoring back.
I'm a home user, I'm not going for the abo version, but I will think twice buying another ADOBE product.
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The lack of this feature has cost me a huge amount of time, trying to find a way to distribute a 20 minute video. It will cost me another $240 a year to subscribe to the appropriate Vimeo.

Just another hidden cost of Adobe products.
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The lack of this feature has cost me a huge amount of time, trying to find a way to distribute a 20 minute video. It will cost me another $240 a year to subscribe to the appropriate Vimeo.

Just another hidden cost of Adobe products.
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Absolutely agree with the sentiments above.  I just finally gave up on Pinnacle software because of its bugs and freezes (over at least a decade) and was lured to Premier Elements by the promo material and the reputation for reliability.  I find it is so much better than Pinnacle in many respects, and have now re-done a large project that Pinnacle 21 just couldn't reliably complete.  But WOW - no Blu Ray support in Premier Elements, which is what I have to have.  This is just RIDICULOUS AND UNDER-HANDED!  There should be a large label on the product to say "WILL NOT AUTHOR OR BURN BLU RAY DISCS"- but instead it implies that it can do so.  Sure it can send an output file to a blu ray disk as though it is a flash drive, but what is the point of that?  Why would you?  No means of creating menus and chapters etc and will not play on a Blu Ray machine.

As for the option of starting with HD video and finishing up with SD on a DVD, why the hell would you do such a ridiculous thing, and end up with output that is only 25% of the original bit rate.

Pinnacle took away the Blu Ray option a couple of versions back, but because of user pressure, they made it a purchase option for $10, which I paid.  Later versions again they made it available inclusively. 

ADOBE, you should be absolutely ashamed and offer refunds to all who come forward for it.  It is not fit for purpose if a video editor designed to handle HD cannot output it to conventional media for same.  Shame.

Brian Muir 
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I did not discover the lack of BD until JUST over 30 days after purchase.  Rang their support to see if a refund was available as it was not fit for purpose.  Was told that Adobe has a strict 30 day money back policy.  A lot of hobbyists will be caught out by this, you can easily exceed 30 days doing a project part time.
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I couldn't have said this better. Shame.
I lost weeks of my free time, but will have to redo my project in Premiere Elements 14.1. No way I will burn this on a DVD. I would have paid $10 to Adobe, but this is betrayal on loyal customers. 
I was trusting that the new version would do everything the old does just better, faster and with additional features. No word that such an essential feature is missing ...

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Yes, this is so annoying Steffen.  This is my second go at this large project.  All very well to find out now that I should have gone to Vegas to get Blu Ray functionality - it means starting yet again.  What can Adobe be thinking of?  I too would pay extra if need be.  Adobe will be the loser due to reputation and mass loss of Adobe customers to Vegas and others because of this deceit.  It is particularly deceitful to produce "upgrades" that in fact remove fundamental and basic features without warning potential buyers.
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Bring back bluray authoring! I've been a regular purchaser of Premiere Elements since version 7.0. I wouldn't have bought this most recent upgrade to 2018 if I had know I couldn't author blurays. I want my money back as I'm going to be using version 14 for the foreseeable future.