Camera Raw: Please restore crop tool dimension parameters

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ACR 8.1 removes the functionality to set image dimensions in the crop tool. PLEASE RESTORE THIS FEATURE. In previous versions I could set my crop in a variety of increments (pixels, inches, centimeters, etc...) from within the crop tool so when I opened or exported the document, it was ready to go in the pre-specified dimension. I can no longer do this and it throws a HUGE wrench into my workflow. Again PLEASE RESTORE THIS FUNCTIONALITY TO THE NEW VERSION OF ACR!!! New software should come with MORE functionality, not LESS!
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Eric Chan, Camera Raw Engineer

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russell lloyd, I don't understand your preferred cropping workflow. What is it that you're trying to accomplish, precisely?
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russell lloyd

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thanks for reply Eric....
on a daily basis I typically process 100 images or more.
of that 100 I regard some as 'one time use' pr pics which only need 20 MB max. among those 100 there maybe some which I predict could end up on posters or used in publications where higher res would be needed.

of that 100 lets say - some pr type of pics only need color balance, levels and a crop. (no need to fully open in PS).
Those I identify as having more potential get a preliminary color balance, levels and crop prior to opening in PS for more detailed processing.

re the crop tool in PS...I found the old crop tool much more useable. Hate the way its always laying over the image. prefer to just drag it over the image when I need it.
regards
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Thanks for explaining, russell lloyd ... however, this doesn't seem to be related to the Crop tool in Camera Raw. It's about the Crop tool in Ps ...
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I just upgraded to CR 8.2 and I'm having the same problem. My workflow is that I open 50 images, batch process and then crop each to 5" by 7" at 300ppi which gives me consistently sized files for uploading. With the only choice being ratio, my images were all different sizes depending on how big the crop box was! It took me a while to figure out what was going on. Now I have to set the ratio at the top of the screen and then set the size at the bottom of the screen AND change it whenever I switch between horizontal and vertical crops! Why can't 5x7 and 7x5 be the same? Grrrrrrrrrr. Very frustrated by extra steps in my workflow.
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Hi

Just set your crop ratio to 5x7, ignore what it says on the bottom, and edit your files. Then select all and Save Images. In the Save dialog set your long side to 7 inches and whatever else you need. Save. Sorted. You can even save different Save presets for different images. If you need to do additional Photoshop work do this first and work on the saved image. A different workflow might need you to do it a different way and use the bottom dialog but for what you need this is the way.

I had a problem with the new thing when they introduced it (see above...) but the new system introduced with the Save dialog has sorted it completely as far as I'm concerned.
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Thanks, I'll give it a try.
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still hating this crop tool both within raw and in PS.
just reading post above.
set ratio 7x5 - edited images - select all - save all - I see no options in 'save as' other than extensions etc, certainly no option to specify longest edge size.
that option is in the 'bottom bit' before opening.
what on earth was wrong with the old crop tool?????? why did adobe have to do this - were there thousands of complaints about the old crop tool? I had never heard anyone complaining about it.
This version might be fine for those working on a few images but I've got hundreds of images to process -
maybe I'm unable to grasp what you are saying but YOU CANT BLAME USERS - IT IS NOT INTUITIVE. if it aint broke don't try and fix it. If adobe feel the need to tweak it here and there just so they can sell it all over again to its loyal customers, please leave perfect working tools alone. I am desperate to revert to good old CS5 but our IT dept say its impossible being a fleet Mac - shame because the rest of it is fine!
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Russell, not sure what you're trying to do, but here are some suggestions:

1. if you want to set the ratio to 7x5, choose "5 to 7" from the Crop menu, same as before, and set the crop as you wish. If you are working on hundreds of pictures, you can then click Synchronize to sync the crops, or you can select the images beforehand and then use the crop tool to apply cropping in batch.

2. if you want to open/save images of a specific size (e.g., 1000 pixels on the long edge), visit the Workflow Options, check the "Resize to Fit" box, and choose from the options there (e.g., Long Side, 1000 pixels). Again, this can be done in batch (e.g., if you have hundreds of pictures that you want to apply this to, just set this once, and all the images will be opened/saved in the same way).
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Eric Chan,
I'm with Russell, it wasn't broke so why "fix" it? The new tool is not intuitive and even though I've tried the suggestions here, I can't duplicate what I used to be able to do. It's close, but not what I really want or need. Please seriously consider changing it back.
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why would I use 'sync Crop' - I cant think of an instance when I've ever wanted to apply the same crop to 2 pictures let alone a batch.
I'm guessing you don't use PS for a living. I totally respect your knowledge of PS but like most PS trainers you have huge knowledge on all aspects of PS but you never use it to crunch through hundreds of pictures each week.
I would love for a Adobe rep to sit and watch over my shoulder as I try and make this work for me. if if there is a method I could learn that gives me the same excellent workflow that i got with the previous raw/ps - why is it so hard to learn?
I'm not stupid - PS is a brilliant piece of software...my designer colleagues have no problem with CS6 they use different bits but I'm not the only photographer who has complained about the crop tool in raw and PS.
ps what happened to the perspective function in PS crop tool? that was great for squaring up artwork? that was so useful - just tick the box - realign the edges and instant parallel photo/artwork edge.
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Sorry I don't seem to be able to help you, Russell. We have received feedback from other photographers who (like you) crunch through hundreds of pictures a week, but (unlike you) find the new crop and Workflow Options design in Camera Raw a huge timesaver compared to the previous approach.
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thanks anyway Eric...
would love to see a youtube of this in action!
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Hi Russell,

I don't know if this will help your specific workflow needs, but Julieanne Kost made a nice video explaining the new Workflow Options features (including image sizing, etc.), here:

http://tv.adobe.com/watch/the-complet...
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I "crunch through" sometime hundreds a day... I didn't like this at the start of 8.0, that's how I got involved in the thread, but the changes they made have fixed it as far as I'm concerned.

Obviously you have to tweak the crop box in each individual image but if you use sync the box is already there and it only takes a few seconds to fine tune. Assuming you want it cropped it I can see no quicker way of doing it, it only takes a few seconds per image.

The "bottom bit" is where you can resize the image crop and bit depth and colour profile if you want to open cropped to size into Photoshop. I was saying use the ACR Save dialog to output size, not that. As Eric says the long side option is in the drop menu in Resize to Fit.
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This is so obnoxious, the fact that something as fundamental as the crop tool could be turned into such a train wreck is really just another embarrassment for Adobe (in addition to being a mild to severe headache for photographers, depending on your workflow). It's really too bad that there isn't another option out there for working photographers.

Bottom line, the goal should be to ADD functionality and ease of use, not subtract it.

PLEASE RESTORE THE CROP TOOL TO IT'S PRE-CC STATE!
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OMG I am so pissed off about this who is the stupid dumb idiot software programer that did this... Obviously they have never picked up a camera and used it nor have they every processed a photo. What a dumb a$$ sorry for my french, and to think that Kelby who sits on the committee and makes these decisions allowed this to happen.

Please change it back.

I do have a solution though. Uninstall your cs6 reinstall and dont do the updates to camera raw. that will set it back to camera raw 7.4.
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PLEASE RESTORE !!!!!

I work in a lab environment. We crop images to many different sizes all day long. I can't have 100 different presets to accomplish this. This is not efficient in a workflow situation. Very frustrating.!!
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So Eric , Is there a way for you to help us on this? I would crop in ACR just to NOT crop with the crop tool of cs6. I need to be able to crop to a certain dimension to then output to printer. Having to crop in the new workflow options(as it keeps my last as default) is not efficient. When I was able to crop as a radio or dimension was much quicker. This has adding two more steps to my workflow. It may not seem too much, but cropping images all day long ( to all different sizes, most being custom) takes a lot of time. Please HELP
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What are examples of your custom crop dimensions (e.g., in inches) that you're used to using? For example, if you're getting ready to print a bunch of images on 13" x 19" paper, what sizes do you set your images to?
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Eric, first thanks for the response. I output to many different printers. As I mentioned before I work in a lab environment and having to specify in the new workflow options what size I would like is adding more steps to my work flow. I can't specify a certain size to you as every job is a custom dimension. I may be printing to my Epson 9900 using 24 inch roll or 44 in roll. The next minute outputting to my silver halide printer. Bottom line really like the old crop option in acr 7
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Reading through this trainwrecked thread brought back memories of my own process of deciding to retrograde out of CC back to CS5.5. I wasted two months trying to make sense of PV2012's clueless attempts to "auto-correct" my RAW files. Silly me, assuming that a slider labelled "Exposure" would adjust EV level, and "Brightness" would set black level...

The arbitrary purge of cropping features in ACR 8 looks like yet another example of Adobe corporate intelligence at work. First, have an expert programmer "refactor" the core functionality and user interface of a tool that's evolved over a decade of industry practice. Then whitewash the undocumented pitfalls of the New Paradigm with a frothy glut of freshly revised book editions and tutorials by exuberant Adobe Partners. Finally, engage with the clamorous community of subscribers, paying careful attention to their pleas, in order to patiently instruct them on how they can better upgrade their workflows to maintain compatibility with the very latest editions of the toolset.
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Eric - apologies for a question on this old post re dissatisfaction with ACR changes to the Crop tool - i.e., leaving only the Custom Crop option for 'Ratio' vs inches / cm / pixels.  

In your response, you mentioned a couple of seemingly great options - i.e., the ability to have Save-Dialog presets and Workflow presets. That seemed an extremely useful thing in ACR (to which I am relatively new).

I have ACR 9.1.1 and see no option to create either Save-Dialog presets or Workflow presets!  Am I missing something here or does 9.1.1 simply drop those preset options.

Appreciate any advice on same. Thank You.
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I'm not sure about versions current is 9.6 but this has been like this for a while so I'm sure 9.1 was the same - if you open a file in ACR when you go save image your Save Options dialog box has a Preset box at the top with an option on the menu for New Save preset. Anything you set in the Save option can be stored as a preset from Colour profile to bit depth to finished image size. Hope this helps.