Photoshop: Please improve the vector tools

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I've been using Photoshop for illustration for years. The only thing that I turn to other programs to do is the inking... Photoshop's lines look very jaggy compared to Manga Studio, for example. I like to use Manga Studio for lineart because it's very easy to make vector lines that have no anti-aliased (making it super fast to color with the fill bucket) and are extremely easy to edit. There are tools to smooth the line, enlarge it, thin it, move it... well you try it. It's just really easy and fast and always looks good. I would LOVE to have similar tools on Photoshop, so that I don't have to do the lines somewhere else.
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OK, you're going to have to provide a little more information about what you're talking about. Which vector tools are you using in Photoshop? (and I'm pretty sure you don't mean just the line tool)

Photoshop's line and vector tools rasterize to pixels at the resolution of your document. They're only as jaggy as the resolution of your document, assuming you have antialiasing disabled. With antlaliasing enabled, they shouldn't be too jaggy, but are still limited by the resolution of your document (at 72 dpi, you only have 72 pixels per inch to work with).
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What I mean is having more options for lineart. Manga Studio has options like stroke-in, stroke-out (how the lines start and end), correction (to help those with not so steady hands, and doing long lines)... and some other tools that allow the user to easily move part of the line, thicken or thin part of the line, soften part of the line... it's really hard to explain without showing :( But they're amazing tools that I'd really love to have on Photoshop.
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Something to consider is that Manga Studio does this in an actual "Vector" Layer that really isnt raster at all, so its like an illustrator inside a photoshop.
In the layer you can edit anything about the 'line' you just created, Manga Studio is a superior Tool, for comics.
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I'm with Cheila, I use Photoshop for everything except inking (sketching, coloring, adjustments, masking and compositing). Here is specifically what I'd like Photoshop to include:  Please make a vector brush tool that I can draw lines with my wacom tablet with my hand instead of having to click with bezier mouse points. I want this vector brush to be pressure sensitive. The functionality I really love in Manga Studio and Toon Boom Harmony is that you can draw two vector strokes crossing eachother like an X and then you can drag the vector eraser or cutter tool across the overshot lines you want to disappear (in my image here, I've indicated this dragging behavior with the green markings). Illustrator can KIND of do this. In AI, you vector brush lines, Select All, Expand Appearance, Pathfinder\Divide, and then use the Shape Builder tool while holding Alt to delete overshot marks. The weakness with doing this in Illustrator is that the lines are then outlined lines instead of centrally controlled vector lines (in case you need to make adjustments to the paths). Also, I can't believe that Illustrator still cannot rotate the artboard like Photoshop and most other art programs. Being able to rotate the screen is essential in making natural strokes with a stylus. If you can't understand this, imagine trying to ink something on a piece of paper, your arm naturally rotates from the elbow and wrist in an arc. You'll rotate your paper in order to be able to use the natural arc of your hand/wrist to complete the inking. It's not a good practice to make arcs that are against your physiology because it hurts your wrist and is not as smooth. Anyway, I received a questionaire from Adobe yesterday asking what would make me more likely to recommend Photoshop to someone and this is my answer to that... same with my willingness to recommend Illustrator.
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Manga looks insanely cool! And look at that, tools that anyone can easily differentiate...who would have ever thought.

This thread exemplifies why Photoshop is headed toward becoming an archaic dinosaur. In light of other programs out there now it's just plain dated. Dated not just because Adobe actually moves backwards in interface design and effiency, but because many other programs offer what this stubborn, dictatorial company keeps blowing off just because they can. God, they are so lost. Making Apple TV apps instead of fixing chronic problems and adding missing features like those mentioned in this thread.

Love your girl by the way Matt.
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@grauenwölfe, glad you like my pic. Just to clarify. I LOVE Photoshop and it is almost like blood flowing through my veins. I use it almost every day. Manga is awkward to do color adjustments with and free transforms when compared to Photoshop. Photoshop is awesome for shortcut keys, masking, adjustments etc. My wish is to stay in Photoshop for the entire image creation process. Right now, I sketch in Photoshop, Ink in Manga, color, adjust and finalize in Photoshop. I wouldn't mind if Illustrator could be used for the inking if the vector capacity could be retained if I ever wanted to go from PSD to AI to PSD back to AI again, but it would be best if we could do it all in PS with improved vector tools. Thanks Adobe! Please keep trying to improve. I might just upgrade my CS5 license of Photoshop to CC if you guys improve this. I use CC at work and so far I'm not tempted at all to pay the monthly fee to upgrade my home version.