Please rename Lightroom Classic CC

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"Classic" implies something that is not changing, not advanced, not being updated. The mere mention of this word has thrown people into believing this product is going away. Adobe please, consider renaming this product. I understand that the cloud is the future and you are ready for it....but as demonstrated with the cloud based lightroom, It is simply not ready to handle the demands\need of the desktop version. Please get people excited about this product and just rename it. How about renaming to Lightroom Pro CC.
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Dave Pearce

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Adobe has stated they didn’t want to use the word ‘Pro’, as this will confuse people that think CC isn’t for pros.
If you think about it the term classic is relevant, as it refers to thei version we are all used to, the old version, even though it was called something else lol.
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Not obvious to me that Adobe thinks people with 5 TB worth of images are going to upload them, and buy more storage, and trust Adobe not to lose them? I think Adobe is sometimes inept, but they’re not THAT stupid.
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Dave Pearce

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As I said, its early days. Look at the packages you can get., They are already offering 1TB from day one. Whether its a success or not who knows, but the ability to have your raw files anywhere is already a work flow many use, Adobe are just streamlining it.
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But, really, Lightroom CC *isn't* for pros. At least not yet.
Sure, a pro could use it, in the same way a hobbyist or amateur can use regular "Classic" Lightroom. But it has to be a very specific workflow and there would be drastic and dramatic changes for most professionals (who would also be losing quite a bit of functionality).
"Classic" should be called "Professional" until the day the two can be confidently merged into one cloud-based product. I believe the future is the cloud, but we're still quite a ways from your high-volume pro being able to practically do it.
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Stephen Newport

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Dave, 
You just don't understand how a lot of pros work. For some people, probably a lot, for a percentage of their work this will be a great *feature* (for me definitely) on the go, but it can't replace their entire workflow, and I'm not using two pieces of software for two different catalogs. You're not going to download a 2gb file every time you notice a piece of dust you forgot to remove. For people who do all of their edits in Lightroom (and bless their hearts),  it's still not entirely practical at the moment. So you finish working on the project and need to send to the client... sure Adobe could offer an instant export and file-hosting feature in the future for clients (doing the computations on their servers, and maybe giving them markup abilities!), but what about those clients that require you to upload to their servers using their workflows? You then have two options:
1.) Spend 15 minutes to an hour downloading the photos. then another 15 to an hour uploading

2.) Tell the client you can't accommodate their needs because because of your choices of software.

If they come back with a few corrections, you then have to do it all over again. At this point you're probably saying, I'll just work from the already downloaded files, and you'll be working on files no longer in the catalog creating fragmentation in your library.
I don't see any way for a professional to use the new Lightroom CC for professional needs, at the moment, and refusing to use wording like "pro" as a gesture to their professional base that they are dedicated to providing a feature rich and constantly updating tool for their needs?
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Dave Pearce

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Its not me that you need to explain this to. All im saying is how i see Adobes new business model going. Im not actually running Adobe ;-)
Personally i wont be using the new CC version, as i cant get it for some reason. But even so, its too cut down, and i dont like working with cloud based applications. so we are on the same page as far as 'do we want it' goes, but the future is in Adobes hands.
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The word Classic has no such effect on me, maybe I’m just just older than you?
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Sean Molin

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I can point you to a few Facebook groups with 30,000+ people that find the word "classic" affects them negatively.
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I dunno. Maybe the name is fair warning that Classic will soon find itself gone/unsupported, the way the standalone version of the product went...
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In the context of software and the Web, "Classic" is a marketing euphimism too often used to connote end-of-life, superseded by a newer product, outdated, old fashioned, no longer available, legacy technology, supported but no more improvements, hard to use, not the preferred product, etc. -- as just a little time spent with Google reveals.  

Start with Adobe Acrobat Classic, the version of Acrobat that gets quarterly releases but no new features.  See this post for a long list of other examples:

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/why-call-it-classic?topic-reply-list%5Bsettin...
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Exactly.
"Classic" is never used in any connotation that would indicate a product or service is going to be upgraded and given attention to in future. Everything thinks Lightroom "Classic" is EOL.
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Sean, exactly. Adobe has a reputation for saying "your workflow and software are safe," and then completely going back on that. For the most part I have been fine with this as I felt their upgrades were sensical. As a daily user of their products, a subscription is completely fine by me as the value I get from it pays for itself quickly. Adding cloud-based services to the entire line? Great! Take a pro product and only give upgraded features to a new, non-pro product.... then rename the pro-product to "classic".... what??
I would really really like the ability to have part of my catalog or some of my projects be completely mobile without having to dumb folders onto my laptop from my main work drive in order to travel, but I'm not going to maintain two separate software catalogs to do it, and I'm not going to upload 15tb of data to the cloud as my main workflow.....
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Lightroom Desktop
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The issue with "Lightroom Desktop" is that it would get confused with the desktop app that's part of the Lightroom cloud family  (currently called "Lightroom CC").  
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It's almost as if they shouldn't have called the new product the exact same thing the old product was called in the first place.
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Stephen Newport

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I am dumbfounded that these are two separate products. Make one product that we can maintain our photo collection and decide which projects we want to have with us on the go.  
"Classic" is terrible terrible branding, too. What pro photographer/retoucher do you know that wants to be on the "classic" edge?
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Well, it's rather sad to see a multi-national software developer that can measure their annual revenues in multiple billions of dollars can't find more talented and gifted members of their marketing team to create a naming convention and presentation of an intricate new product lineup that would be much less confusing and far more informative.

This isn't a new problem for Adobe, they have spent the past 5+ years confusing their loyal and traditional users by obfuscating the details to the point that a significant number of customer are overwhelmed and thoroughly misunderstanding what has transpired to the point where they may believe seeking out alternate options a worthy task.

It's not the readers of this novel that can be blamed for poor comprehension or misinterpreting the nuances of the semantics employed in the text offered ... it's the author's lack of foresight and skill as wordsmiths to put forth a better effort.
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As someone who works in the educational part of the photography community and really has a pulse on how people on a mass scale have responded to this change...
The world "classic" was absolutely terrible and has created more confusion on a mass scale than anything possibly could. It doesn't matter how you *think* the word classic should be interpreted... it IS being widely interpreted as a product that's about ready to be discontinued. It's compounded because pros have been using a program called Lightroom for 10 years and now there's a program called Lightroom that doesn't fit in their professional workflow.
The new Lightroom CC is a great idea and works fantastically for amateurs and many hobbyists, but the naming convention for these two apps is an actual disaster.
There are TONS of apps that use the word Professional and non-pros can use them just fine. Lightroom Classic really needs to be renamed Lightroom Professional. It would immediately clear up 95% of the confusion.
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Yes yes yes yes yes. I own both Capture One and Lightroom so I can be flexible with client's needs, but my entire professional digital career revolves  around Lightroom. My heart stopped when I saw the word "classic," as that is always a harbinger for digital obsolescence and makes me feel like I need to start planning right now to switch from Adobe. I don't think that is the case, but damn if it doesn't seem like they tried hard to make me feel that way.
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You got my vote! Maybe Adobe should offer you a job!