Lightroom Ecosystem: Please add ability to Sync LR Classic Collection Sets

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Please add ability to Sync LR Classic Collection Sets and LR CC Folders!
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Victoria Bampton (Lightroom Queen) wrote: "The existing cloud sync functionality will remain in LR Classic, so you can sync with any of the Lightroom CC apps including the iOS/Android apps, but no new sync functionality will be added to Classic (so keywords and collection hierarchy won’t sync)."

But if enough people provide feedback, maybe Adobe will change their minds.
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I wholeheartedly agree with Tomas. PLEASE add the ability to sync collection sets, as the folder hierarchy makes all the difference when trying to find the right projects if you have years of photos like I do. PLEASE!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Classic: Collection set structure lost on Lightroom mobile.

"Creating Collection Sets from Folders"  is a very welcome new feature on Lightroom Classic 7.2, but there's one important thing missing, unfortunately:  The newly created nested Collection Set only maintains its structure on Lightroom desktop;  if shared to Lightroom Mobile, the structure disappears on all synched mobile devices.  I hope Adobe fixes that soon.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Mobile: Sync collection sets.

I have a number of collection sets that I would like to sync to mobile and work within that structure one my iPad Pro. It is tedious, to individually sync dozens of collections inside a set, then have them appear on mobile as individual collections, rather than part of a set. This is one of a few issues that has me thinking that LR CC for Mobile isn’t ready for pro users.
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Don't forget to vote for this request :)

FYI (maybe you know it) but in LR Classic, it is possible to drag folders into collections to create collections based (and named) as the folders :)
A huge timesaver for the sync function. Still waiting for better sync features but they won't be devlopped on LR Classic.
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+1 from my side. This seems to be such an obvious feature. As recommended I use collection sets to organize my photos and is annoying having to move collections manually after they have been syncrhonized. 
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Basically Folders in LR mobile are the same as Collectoion Sets in LR Classic. It would be great if it will be possible to sync them.
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In order to stay organized on both platforms I find myself manually recreating Folders in CC to match the Collection Sets in Classic or the other way around. Seems like such an obvious thing to sync these.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Collection folders from cloud in classic. When???.

When will Lightroom Classic show the actual hierarchy from the cloud?

Naming albums "Grandparent folder : Parent : Actual album name" is bush-league junk.
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@Daniel123123, Adobe's current position is that no new sync functionality will be added to Classic - so folders created in Lightroom Mobile or Desktop will never sync to Classic. Nevertheless, when Adobe hears from enough people they sometimes change their position. Click on Vote at the top of this thread (that your post was moved to) to add your voice to this request.
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+1
Adobe, listen to user feedback!
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Adobe, please consider an exception to updating sync features in Classic for this. I am now getting a fair bit of use from Lightroom in addition to Classic because I’m publishing my photos via Portfolio. However, due to many of the features in Classic that are not yet available in Lightroom, my workflow needs both. Having collection sets in Classic sync with folders would make things much easier. 
Thanks. 
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I think this goes far deeper than just synchronizing Collections/Sets. Lr in general has one of advantages over Photoshop and that is organization of photos. This was totally okay in Classic and worked just fine. With the rise of CC which needs the organization even more to communicate the hierarchy on all devices synced, this is not the case as it looks so far. In CC you can just create Folders which in Classic I used for years and sub-folders for each photoshoots and Collection for combining them to categories like Portrait, landscape etc, social media etc. 
I believe they will struggle and we as well until they don't put great though how to make the organization understandable and sync able. 
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lr Classic doesn't sync organization of collections/albums with Lr CC.

Before I used Lr CC (which includes LrMobile, LrWeb and LrCC for pc) for the first time, I have made Collection Sets as for Commercial photography, Portraits etc. When I used CC, these were not present just the albums within.

On the other hand, When I created Folder inside CC and moved some of the albums to it, this transfer to another folder was not synced with Classic and they stayed in old Collection sets.

And on top of that, when I create completely new album in CC, this shows in Classic in Collection set with name "From Lightroom" which would be okay for unorganized albums but when I moved these albums in CC to the folder which is not shown in Classic, this move was not synced and these albums stayed in "From Lightroom" collection set within Classic. 

This makes it not possible to sync organization of the folders and albums and makes it a total mess from the one of most important features of lightroom over photoshop. ORGANIZATION OF PHOTOS.

I hope this workflow can be clarified to me as a feature or it is a quite a big problem
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I don’t quite understand how we have Lightroom Classic & CC together and collection sets are not synced. ITs quite literally taken me months to set up a structure in Classic that I can’t exactly replicate in CC. Each actual collection of mine is titled “Full Shoot” so if I were to sync all actual collections I’d end up with thousands all named the same thing. 

I don’t see the hurdle with a collection set equalling a folder request in CC containing the actual collection. This cant be difficult to code!
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Agreed! Seems so obvious and simple to me!
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Antoine Hlmn

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Don’t look for a technical explanation. Thy’ve decided to stop sync features development and bug solving for Classic. Same goes for keywords, stacks, labels, edit history... it’s just as it is: crippled.
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True. Hopefully if people like Jay keep explaining their use case and how the crippling affects them, our voice may be heard by Adobe.
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Meh... I've been using LR, suggesting features and reporting bugs for long enough to not expect anything anymore. I'm staying for a couple of key features and out of laziness, but I'm more and more looking for alternatives.
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I'm tempted to start posting videos on YouTube / Twitter tagging Adobe in related to user experience with this application.

I cant believe how long it takes for basic core functionality to be rolled out. This last update just makes me exhale in disappointment.
The major remaining issues for me are sync (collection sets).
General performance still is miles off being what it should be. 
UI improvements (being able to change the overall color from dark to something brighter) and for the love of God a grid system that does away with everything except maybe a tiny border per picture!
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To Chris Brown.
Adobe will say Subscribe to the Cloud Centric Lightroom version and run both on your computer. That version Does Do what you want.
End of Discussion.
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Antoine Hlmn

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@Jay, unless you're a big one like Fro or Tony Northrup starting to complain, I'm afraid it won't change anything. As long as the subscriptions are ok, it won't change anything.

@Just Shot Me, there are hundreds of very good reasons NOT to want to switch to Cloudy. Arguing another software does a fraction of what's requested is not very helpful. You could suggest to switch to Google Photos or iCloud for what it's worth ^^
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I did not suggest anything. I STATED WHAT ADOBE would, will, say.

And What Is Cloudy? (I know what it is referring to but it is a very poor nickname).
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Sure, that "you" was meant as an impersonal you. I'm sorry if my phrasing was open for interpretation. I agree, it's their leitmotiv: cloud cloud cloud. But I also stand by it: cloudy does not respond to the needs of many people so can not be seen as an option.

It's clear to me the focus has shifted from classic towards the cloud version (what many people call "Cloudy" since the naming is very confusing).
And here is when a rep or champion will pop by stating "it's not true, our focus has not shifted" :-)
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The Coca-Cola company had a similar misstep with their New Coke. The original product formulation was quickly brought back as Coke Classic. Seven years later the New Coke product (AKA Coke II) was discontinued. It's a little cloudy concerning what will happen here so I think the name fits.
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Just Shoot Me, I’m happy to politely continue discussions about features I want and encourage others looking for the same features to make their case. Discouraging people from posting by criticizing their choice of words and encouraging a defeatist attitude doesn’t seem to help reach the end goal of this feature request.
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I DID NOT criticize your choice or request. I stated what I Think Adobe would say.
Why can't you and others understand that? What I wrote.

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To Chris Brown.
ADOBE WILL SAY Subscribe to the Cloud Centric Lightroom version and run both on your computer. That version Does Do what you want.


End of Discussion.

END QUOTE:



See I never said what you think I said.
Really take a walk. Go out and Meet people, hug someone. Stop Living in Fear.

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Adobe are very specific and actually recommend people to NOT use both at the same time. From their "Creative Cloud Photography plans | Common questions" current FAQ:

Should I use Lightroom Classic and Lightroom together?
We encourage anyone who currently uses Lightroom Classic to download and try Lightroom in order to decide if you’d like to switch to Lightroom. Our recommendation is that you pick one and use it on an ongoing basis. We don't recommend using both together in the long term.

They are different behind the scenes. Lightroom does not have the functionality of Lightroom Classic yet, and the way the files are stored/ accessed is totally different (ie cloud based). My personal 'hope' is that, when they get to a point that the cloud version has more funcitonality akin to Classic, they will also create a tool/option to upload a previous Lightroom Classic library in full.



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Adobe are very specific and actually recommend people to NOT use both at the same time. From their "Creative Cloud Photography plans | Common questions" current FAQ:

Should I use Lightroom Classic and Lightroom together?
We encourage anyone who currently uses Lightroom Classic to download and try Lightroom in order to decide if you’d like to switch to Lightroom. Our recommendation is that you pick one and use it on an ongoing basis. We don't recommend using both together in the long term.

They are different behind the scenes. Lightroom does not have the functionality of Lightroom Classic yet, and the way the files are stored/ accessed is totally different (ie cloud based). My personal 'hope' is that, when they get to a point that the cloud version has more funcitonality akin to Classic, they will also create a tool/option to upload a previous Lightroom Classic library in full.



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Rosie Robinson, the import tool does what you are hoping for. My understanding is the import tool is more featureful than the syncing. I’m just waiting/hoping that Lightroom cloud gets the missing features before I pull the trigger and switch. As it stands now there will be data loss when you import just because the cloud version does not have the ability to store some data (ie hierarchical keywords).
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Thanks Chris Brown, I know you saw my longer post too. To me it's simply not my full library without the actual data I've added. And the 'all or nothing, no turning back' migration doesn't help me want to try!
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Thanks @Rosie for clarifying the integrity of both applications. To be honest I lost the long term vision with Adobe and will probably switch to another application completely. Besides all the problems with sync mentioned in this thread, I would be more than happy to use only Lr Classic but it had been slow since begging and continues to slow down since last years update. I am taking freaking 5min of startup time with crashing on the edge, that's not a professional software and neither company I am expecting from Adobe. Lr Cloud is a lot faster therefore I tried to switch at least partially but it's not possible as you mentioned really. (And I am NOT going to pay for storing 5Tb of my photos on Cloud! Like straight out forget that Adobe)
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> I am taking freaking 5min of startup time with crashing

That's definitely not normal, and I can't see a thread you've started on that topic, so start one and let us help.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Lightroom Mobile Albums should be sorted like in Lightroom.

When I create a Collection Set in LR Classic and mrk it for syncing, the same set structure is duplicated in Lightroom Desktop but not in Lightroom Mobile. It would be helpful if that were the default organizational structure for albums in Mobile.
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Yes! Groups, collections and smart collections SHOULD sync. This has been requested over and over Again but Adobe DOESN'T CARE !
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Adobe, I've been with you since the 90's, and you've always led the way in this industry - I'm clearly a long time fan.

However, please listen to this thread - if you don't create a simple way for Lightroom Classic users to be able to import their libraries to Lightroom, with all the details it's taken them years to organize/create intact, you are missing a HUGE trick and loosing out on a easy additional revenue stream.

I have around 27,000 photos and I'm not even a pro (or semi pro!). The manual tags/ albums/ collections etc Lightroom Classic users have crated to be able to meaningfully view their photos are not just something that's just been used by pros. This is a huge part of why I am using Lightroom Classic in the first place. Also, the 'date' metadata in photos can't always be relied on (scans of older photos, edited photos that took on a new date due, things saved / passed around between family phones, etc, etc, etc) so uploading by date is of no use at all and would actually make sorting much harder.

If I have to go through checking every date and re-creating my entire environment all over again to switch, that's going to sting more than a giant hornet.

Seriously, listen to us on this. Multiple times now I have 'almost' switched to Lightroom on the cloud - which would be double what I'm paying now to get the storage I need - but I have stopped every time because of this. If easier to upload them to Google than another version of the same product, that's a real problem.
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I’m with you 1000 percent. Not a pro either but have endless hours of effort put into over 120,000 photos!
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Bonjour, ce qui m'étonne, je ne vois aucune réation de la part de collaborateurs de Adobe, ni pour contester, ni pour approuver, cette conversation va-t-elle donc être passée par le chemin des oubliettes chez Adobe ?
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Yes this is very annoying, Lightroom CC could be very useful if adobe chose to add those functions.