Elements: Place tags are no longer useful

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I upgraded from Elements 7.0 to 13.0 and I violently dislike the way place tags are now done. For my purposes they are now useless. Had I known, I may very well not have upgraded. PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, change the place tags so that the user may control their organization.
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Michel BRETECHER, Champion

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You can still use the old way. The only problem for that is that by default, when you convert your old catalogs, the 'Places' category will convert to the new organization. To avoid that, rename the 'Places' category to 'MyPlaces' or similar before you convert to the PSE11, 12 or 13 format. No conversion will take place.
That's also true for People and Events. That's what I did from PSE11 on.
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I have the same problem as Mr. Fox, having "upgraded" from PSE11 to PSE14, and my Places tags are now an organizational mess, because in PSE 14 you cannot create a Places tag the simple way you used to do it.  So what is the solution?  Does Mr. Bretecher really mean that the only solution is somehow to resurrect PSE11 (or prior version), reincorporate the catalog from PSE11, rename the Places category, convert back to PSE14 and then re-import everything since the last date of that PSE catalog?  I hope not, as such would be an enormous, but necessary, waste of time.  And I note that no one upgrading to PSE14 seems to have been warned that this problem could have been simply avoided by Mr. Bretecher's solution.  If Adobe really wants to keep its customers happy, then it would give customers the option to move back to the previous, more flexible and customizable method of handling Places tags without such a laborious solution.  
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You say: "without such a laborious solution".  As a matter of fact, renaming the 'Places' master category is the only thing you have to do before converting. You can always convert the old catalog again if you have missed the opportunity by lack of information. The problem arises if you realize you should do that after having imported and edited a lot of new files with the new scheme.
For people who use geotagging, the new way is better than the old one, with restrictions...
So I agree that the best solution would be a detailed warning when starting the conversion process. Even including the choice in the preferences would be discovered too late for most users.
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For people who have already upgraded to a new version of PSE (e.g., PSE14) but would like to retain the simplicity, flexibility and functionality of the older pre-geotagging Places tags (i.e., those places tags created before PSE12), I propose the following method, which I have implemented as it seems to resolve the geotagging problem without having to revert from PSE14 to a prior version of PSE (such as PSE11) and then reimport many photos (please note that the following is based on PSE14): 

(1) Back up your files and make screen prints showing the names of the legacy Places tags from the Pre-PSE11 version;

(2) in the main PSE14 screen under "Media" with photos showing in the central column and with a right column listing all Tags, go to "Keywords" under "Tags";

(3) click on "+" and create a new Category with an appropriate Category name (I used "My Places" as my new Category name, and the new "My Places" Category showed up near the top of the Category list);

(4) referring to your screen print(s) (see #1 above) for the names of your legacy Places tags, right-click the new Category name "My Places" and create one new sub-category Tag for each of your legacy Places tags;

(5) In the right column go down to the "Places" Category and make the subcategory tags under Places visible.  Click the box to the left of one of the sub-category tags created under Places before the new version of PSE.  The central screen column should now show only those photos with that specific legacy Places Tagname;

(6) now scroll your Tags keywords list (right column) up to your new My Places Category and subcategories list.  Click on one of the photos in the central screen column, and then press Ctrl-A, thus highlighting all the photos in the central column which had been selected in #(5) above.

(7) move your cursor to the right column and click the appropriate new subcategory tagname under My Places, drag it to any of the photos in the central column and release.  This should mark all the selected photos with the new subcategory tag.  Hover your cursor over any of the new tags in the central column to verify that the new tagnames have been correctly applied to these photos.

(8) repeat as necessary for each of the new tagnames under "My Places".

(9) once you have verified that your new tags are correctly applied you can go back to "Places" in the right column, right click each tag under "Places" and delete each tag, thus emptying "Places" of the tagnames and removing the "Places" tags from all photos that had been tagged with that now-deleted tag.  This should be done to avoid inadvertently using "Places" to tag new photos. 

(10)  In the future use only the tags under My Places to tag place locations.  New tag subcategories can be easily created as needed under My Places by right-clicking "My Places".

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Thanks VERY MUCH!
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thanks, sadly I 'upgraded' while I was working on photos from a big trip (15,000 photos). so now I am in the process of first using PSE 13 to write the tags and ratings to the metadata, then going back to PSE 7 and deleting the photos from the catalog and re-adding them with the tags. then I will be able to rename Places, People and Events, and go back to PSE 13. Somewhere along the way I will also have to handle the new tags I added in PSE 13, fortunately, it doesn't look like there are a lot of them.
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I wish I still had that option.  By the time this method had been made available, I no longer had access to a copy of the old version of my catalog.  So now, I am just totally "bolted."
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You can create a Keyword Tag called Places and replicate your old Places Tags as noted above.
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