Photoshop: Rotatable pattern fills?

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Hello.

I'm a 3D Artist in the games industry. I like to use patterns alot for texture overlays and such. I love the ability to pan the pattern, or just swap out the pattern for a new one and keep the same mask when somethings not working (I love masks too).

One qwirk however, theres no ability to rotate them without collapsing the pattern fill to a layer and doing it manually. Breaking my non-destructive workflow and ruining what i love about patterns. I am sure it wouldn't be too hard a feature to add, seeing as the gradient fill layer already has an rotation/angle implemented.

This would save time and also keep my PSD's nice and tidy.

I made a handy little gif that switches between pattern fill currently, and what would be desireable.

Thanks.
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I'd love if patterns could rotate... like brushes could, if not the same way, how about 90 degrees at a time? (From either the layer properties or maybe the pattern pane)

Probably best if the rotation resets upon clicking a new one?

It's easier than making a new preset for every rotation.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Pattern Rotation.
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90 degree rotations might be reasonable. Arbitrary angles would take quite a bit more work.

But I need justification for management: why is this important, how much time does it really save, what market segments need this functionality, etc. ?
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Christoph - we should probably talk more about halftoning. There are number of improvements that could be made for that, but we need to narrow down the actual use cases to figure out the best solution(s).
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I use Photoshop for Architectural Illustration for a number of clients. For elevations, I use the Pattern Fill Layer Effect a lot, since the designers are constantly changing materials and like to look at a lot of different choices. A lot of these materials have a direction, and need to be rotated in different ways. Think wood grains. It is a pain to make a new pattern fill to rotate a material 30 degrees. Also things like grid patterns need to be aligned and align function should have manuel capability.
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So do I...for architectural illustration is really useful
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i've asked for something like this in the past.
i want a "smart" pattern fill. for retouching clothes with patterns. I've had to reconstruct pinstriped suits - and its not fun.

I'd like a filter to take a sampled area - like a swatch of pinstripe - that doesn't have to be perfectly repeating and the "smart" pattern filter would make a perfect repeating pattern. This pattern could be used as a texture mask for retouching, could be rasterized into pixels and warped into place, etc.

so as for justification - this would benefit pro retouchers for sure.
anyone who works with fabrics.
and it could save alot of time.
i am constantly fixing poorly styled clothes - and alot of them have patterns and having a good master swatch pattern would be a big help.
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I work at a landscape architecture firm and we make highly detailed rendered plan illustrations. For things such as paving patterns, roof canopies etc, using patterns is great because it keeps file sizes low but provides a great deal of detail. However, paving patterns, etc. rotate with the building orientations, road alignments etc. Keeping these as a pattern and layer style allows them to be easily edited. Please, please implement a function to rotate patterns.
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Mr.Cox, I was referring to stuff like this (which admittedly is not a technique I use very often):
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Hmm, I thought you'd go for more complex patterns. Anyway, probably best to have that conversation offline (I think you've got my email address).
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It would be great if Pattern Fills had a rotate capability. You can scale Pattern Fills, and in Layer Effects you can change there opacity and Blend Mode, but you can't rotate them.
On the same topic, it would be great to be able to manually align Pattern Fills, at least in Layer Effects. Snap to Origin is too vague to be flexible.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Pattern Fill Improvement.
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In the Add Layer Style dialog box > Patten Overlay. Can you add a Rotation Angle Slider below the Scale Slider. It is very helpful for architectural texturing for floor or wall patterns and the like. thank you so much.

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Photoshop: Ability to rotate patterns by arbitrary angle in Pattern Overlay.
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Photoshop: two simple things....the possibility to rotate a pattern, into blending option and to turn off/on all selected layers. That would be lifesaver. Thanks a lot

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Pattern & on/off.
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You can already turn the visibility off/on with selected layers. Select the layers and choose Layer>Hide/Show Layers (Note: you can assign a shortcut to this command by selecting Edit>Keyboard Shortcuts... )
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Thanks a lot...now I hope for the rotable pattern ;)
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So I just realized that if you rotate the image (Image > Rotate Image), apply the pattern you want, and then rotate it back, the pattern will stay angled. It only works for 90, 180, -90 rotations though.
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I dream of a custom angle rotation into layer style :)
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Neat trick, but a little time consuming when you have a huge file with a hundred layers!
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Great point! Have been thinking of a feature like that very often.

Is there any way of editing patterns added to photoshop? If yes, this would give a quick workaround for the problem.
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the pattern feature is a bit rigid...
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@Chris Cox

I think any screendesigner would benefit from that feature. I often use pattern fills for websites and UI in general.
It really would save me and hopefully dozens of designers out there a lot of precious time i think.

My Workaround: Filling a big shape with a fill of 0% with a pattern (100%, normal blending) -> converting it to a Smart Object -> Using Smart Object as Clipping mask on the Element I want to be filled with rotated pattern -> choosing angle and blendig mode for Smart Object

A mess, right?
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I'd find it really practical to be able to rotate patterns without rendering them as pixel layers.

Think about fashion garnments where you'd make selection, and rotate sleeves, collars, legs different angles, and may be try different patterns, so, not recreating them everytime, more dynamic !

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Rotating pattern layers.
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Thank you Chris for moving this here, i searched "rotate", and not "rotatable" :)
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I actually just logged in to suggest this very thing.

For many things where a user wants a pattern fill layer style the only workaround is to create a new pattern at the desired angle.

For shapes it's easy enough to just dup a layer, apply the pattern fill, rotate the layer, then mask. But when applying a pattern fill to things like text (which will undoubtedly change later) multiple layers can be cumbersome to manage and re-mask should changes occur in the text.

The ability to simply set the angle of a pattern would not only cut down on the necessity to manage multiple layers with associated masks, but would also cut down on the amount of patterns needed to accomplish a given task. A user could have a straight, single pixel, vertical pattern then be able to use that one pattern tile for any single row pattern they wanted whether at 45°, 90°, 30° or whatever.

Since this is regarding pattern fills... I'd also love smart object patterns. Double click a pattern swatch and it opens in Illustrator for adjustment. I know, probably left field... but you never know until you say something ;)
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Please, make it possible to rotate patterns / pattern overlays in the layer styles. An easy thing to add, very handy for users. Otherwise you have to make numerous of patterns, in different angles. I hope this will be aviable in an upcoming update...

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Rotating patterns.
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Oops, I didn't see the earlier suggetions for this. Sad to see that Adobe still didn't implement this simple thing.... I don't agree with Scot. Indeed, that's how it works today, but it is a waste of time doing it that way...
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I'd really like the ability to rotate textures and patterns that are applied to my layers as live layer styles or fill layers. It would help to break up the repeating pattern in areas where it might be more noticeable (it's usually easier to spot when it's going straight across or vertically). Also, it means that I could use the same texture/pattern on different layers, but just rotating the texture a little bit could make it look like totally different from other layers using the same effect.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Photoshop: Ability to rotate textures and patterns in layer styles..
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I was looking for a way to do this and I came up with this forum. Im a UI designer and I work with patterns everyday. A good example is the image below. I wanted to create a wood pattern that could follow the same angle as the wood planks. Doing this manually is very time consuming and hard to edit.
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I have also had in my mind this feature so often. I have also done that kind of wood textures as Diego show'd at the previous post. The best I could do was to create the pattern as a smart object, create clipping mask and then rotate, but I think its not the best way since editing smart objects is not so intuitive workflow.
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I would also love to have this function in Photoshop! I do it all the time in AI. I work with textile print designs in the fashion industry and often need to create mockups of my work for pre-press catalogs and for pre-line presentations and it would be great if along with the existing ability to shift the pattern laterally and vertically there was an option to rotate the pattern too!
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Hey, i created some fast moqup about how i would like to use the blending options and specially the pattern feature. Feel free to edit the picture if you have some better ideas.



Sorry about the finnish language in the picture.

The features i am asking is:
-Rotating the pattern.
-Changing patterns perspective by numeric or manually. Scaling widths and
heights of the pattern. In my moqup there is not those number fields, but it should include these.
-Zoom button that helps scaling it manually.
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I still have no idea why it has not been implemented yet. We have angle adjustments for almost every subtypes of layer styles, this is just inconsistent.

Like the previous artists mentionned, it destroy the non-destructive design flow which is supposed to be the most important point about photoshop which brought the layering in the first place, and it is time consuming to modify the pattern or to create a shape with the correct pattern and mask every time for such a simple task.
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»I still have no idea why it has not been implemented yet. «
25 people added their support to the request – that’s not that impressive, I suppose.
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Yeah well, it would have to be multiplied by a certain amount, only a very small percentage of us actually tries to get the software less buggy / more polished and move over here to do so.

I did not even know that button existed either, you can add that factor to the calculus as well I guess.
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Hey how about adding the darn feature because one person suggested it... you don't have to be a brain surgeon to see the benefit of rotating a pattern....I mean Come on Adobe... especially for Photoshop ..without this feature I stand to lose a side job worth about 7 grand.... so thanks !!! ...perhaps it is time to shop around for 3rd party... 4th 5th even 6th party....
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»Hey how about adding the darn feature because one person suggested it...«
Are you complaining that a feature that does not exist threatens to cost you a job and thus money but want Adobe to invest their resources into implementing all feature requests any one user makes?

»you don't have to be a brain surgeon to see the benefit of rotating a pattern«
Has anyone contested the benefit?
But you seem to be neglecting (or unable/unwilling to appreciate) the effort and cost of implementing the feature.
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And neglecting the thousands of feature requests we receive from millions of users -- they can't all be implemented instantly.
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Christoph, Thank you for your reply and your points are well taken and duly noted.
First ... my comment stems from not the lack of the feature... but the comment from a power to be requesting the public outcry so as to justify the features existence.

Am I wrong or in appropriate in any way suggesting the NEED for the ability to fine tune the powerful ability that comes with the insertion of a pattern, would my complaint be any more acceptable if I were un able to scale that pattern... I think not.. it just seems almost forgotten about... perhaps you are not a designer and or even an avid user of the program....

and although ultimately it is not Adobe's fault ... but the fact is...due to the inability for me to accurately make better use of the Patterns used in my project...YES I will be losing my consideration for this project..which strangely by the way... was not completed by 3 previous designers.... as it would appear that this missing and or over looked feature is the killing point to create a more accurate polished "real-Like" rendering.

As for my assumed disregard for the effort and or cost of implementing such a feature.. (again not rocket science... the same feature is evident in several other locations in the app. I of coarse do not know what the costs are and can only assume that great effort is utilized throughout.

In the end I am but a mortal compared to the kings and Queens that make my life possible... I apologize for sounding off... but again... I was merely responding to the comment, requesting for validation to consider such a feature.

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Cris Cox and Photoshop Family....I am not trying to get into a spitting match here... and I am not expecting an instant response form adobe.... forgetting the fact that the initial request followed by multiple other requests for the same is well over 2 years old... or the fact that the same feature already exist in a few other locations already (I know i assume that simply adding it elsewhere is easy) I know it is not.

BUT ONCE again ....my initial comment was in reply to your request for proof that our request for this feature was even prudent. and my off the cuff reply was it is because someone has asked ...no make that an entire forum of folks have asked.

I think 2 years clearly states that those that asked were not considered or that the feature does not warrant further consideration ... which I surly at least hope you can agree the feature would be extremely helpful...

NOW seriously I love adobe , Photoshop and everyone in the Family ...ok !!...in fact i was using the AGFA products that were around before adobe bought that division. in the beginning of time.... anyways have a happy 4th 5th and 6th for that matter... but sorry on the 7th ..you are on your own !! hehe

jerry Rice
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I’d like to comment on two statements.

»BUT ONCE again ....my initial comment was in reply to your request for proof that our request for this feature was even prudent. «
If you are referring to Mr.Cox’ post
»90 degree rotations might be reasonable. Arbitrary angles would take quite a bit more work.
But I need justification for management: why is this important, how much time does it really save, what market segments need this functionality, etc. ?«
you probably took »might be reasonable« quite literal, which is certainly legitimate.
I think the following sentence’s reference to a larger quantity of work, though, indicates that »reasonable« may have referred to the necessary investment of resources – but that is naturally arguable.
In either case references to brain surgeons and rocket science are neither reasonable arguments nor proof of your point.

»I think 2 years clearly states that those that asked were not considered or that the feature does not warrant further consideration«
• This is the official place for Photoshop Feature Requests and Bug Reports, so no matter whether the requests/bug reports are realised/corrected they are registered (at least that is my understanding).
• Both Mr.Cox and Mr.Tranberry have posted on this thread, so the feature would apparently have been considered by Adobe personnel at several points in time.
And what about »2 years« warrants your conclusion/assumption?
Just consider the time between the original post in this request and the recent introduction of Path Blur:
http://feedback.photoshop.com/photosh...

Regards,
Pfaffenbichler
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OK... folks...obviously this comes 2 plus years to late for those that started this forum and brought to life the issue at hand with regards to the effectiveness of dealing with patterns, (especially Seamless) in the almighty Photoshop

And although the responses I received from the qualified staff ... made good points .. unfortunately at no time was I either assured that the issue was being addressed (now years in the making) or that I had options ..

Turns out that the team of developers responsible for Adobe Illustrator appreciate the importance of rotating patterns, as it can easily be done in AI ... it is a shame that the only thing missing from the Photoshop version ..is the rotation of the placed pattern (oddly this feature IS AVAILABLE with every other aspect of what photoshop can do.

So... you can deal with the patterns in AI and then once the rotational angels have been met ...import back to Photoshop ...IF needed.... Yes extra steps... but over all problem solved... now lets see if I can salvage that side job I let slip through my fingers ...

Jerry
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Hi all,

I am a product manager on the Photoshop team. I'm the guy that needs the justification that Chris mentioned. There is a lot of great feedback in this thread, and I think the justification has been thoroughly articulated.

As with everything else in Photoshop, we have to make trade-offs. If we do this, we can't do something else. Not everything is the same cost either. Some things are fairly easy to do with huge benefit to customers. Those are easy choices. Other things (like this) are more difficult, but would be valuable. We have to weigh all these things together, and weigh them against the thousands of other requests from customers.

Overall, I think this is a great idea. Chris and I will discuss it with the team and see what makes sense given the other work we have. Stay tuned.
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Hopefully you will be able to allocate the resources but in any case it’s nice of you to acknowledge the item.
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I would also add an Offset parameter if this feature is finally getting some attention. Photoshop technically already handle it, it is just the same issue as this where you have to translate the shape using the pattern, rasterize, then place it back and repeat for all the others which destroy all your flexible presets in the process.
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@Maxime

have you tried dragging the Pattern (on the image) while in pattern dialog?
This would make the offset request obsolete I think.

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I guess that is another inconsistency.

Satin & Drop Shadow both use elements that are readily accessible from the dialog's controls. While Gradient and Pattern does not have any of these controls, preventing precise control over the changes and preventing the users from intuitively knowing that such feature is available.

In my case however, I do not need precision so I am really glad that this feature at least exist. Thank you very much for pointing that out.
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Hello, I would REALLY love the rotatable pattern overly feature to be implemented. I work with photoshop to create illustrations for picture books (and some editorial illustration too) and I have a wide selection of  watercolour paint textures. painted streaks etc that I have scanned in and use to add more of a tactile feel to the digital work I create.

Currently if if I want to have a streaky paint stroke texture rotated to an arbitrary angle I need to open the original texture file and drop it in as a masked layer on top of my original image layer. For textures that are horizontal I can use the pattern overlay tool which is far preferable as it's all 'inside' photoshop and can be found with one or two clicks.

Another issue for me is that I currently have to make multiple patterns for either horizontal or vertical strokes whereas it would be simpler (for me!) to have one pattern that I could rotate, just as I think someone els has pointed out, you can rotate the gradient overlay tool.

So basically, yeah, I'd love this functionality!

Thanks for listening!