Elements: 11 Organizer can't move existing people tags to People Tags section

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When I upgraded to Photoshop Elements 11 I imported by entire collection of 40,000+ images. Most of those images had existing tags which were identified during importation. Some of the imported tags were associated with people (people's names). I tried to drag and drop those imported people tags to the PeopleTags section of the tags window panel and put them in Family or Friends as appropriate. The Organizer would not let me move tags from the Keyword section to the People Tags section. This seems like a very inappropriate restriction and therefore makes the People Tags section a complete waste.
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In Organizer, try clicking "View>Show People Tags in Organizer". All the old people tags will re-appear.
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Thanks for trying to help. FYI I'm in a Windows 7 environment. When I'm in the media view in Organizer 11 and then click on "View" there is no item in the drop down list remotely similar to "Show People Tags in Organizer." Am I missing something basic?

I have not quite figured out how Organizer 11 treats certains classes of image identification. I have a massive number of "Keywords" that were imported from my images and one of the sub-categories is one I conveniently called "People" It also has some sub-categories and within each of those subcategories are tags. In the upper part of theTags panel there's a major entry (first level) for Keywords (which can be expaned) and there's also a major entry with a heading of "People Tags." The "People Tags" entry expands to "Colleagues," "Family," and "Friends." I can creat new a "New Person" entry within these subdivisions. What I can't seem to do is drag and drop my existing people keyword tags from the "Keywords" section to the corresponding place in the "People Tags" section. Without being able to drag and drop from the "keywords" section to the "People Tags" section, the latter area is basically useless to me. I'm not going to work through 43,000 images to manually change from Keyowds to People Tags.

If that gives you any other ideas I'd love to hear them.
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Do you see a similar screen as in the link below?

http://photoshopelementsbyadobe.blogs...
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Mark,

I do have that item in the dropdown menu. Clicking it either removes or displays the second section / item of the Tags window which is "People Tags" (the first item is always "Keywords." I'm at a loss for why that's been made a feature. If you don't want to see the details of the people tags just colapse the list. The "Keywords" section and the "People Tags" section of the Taqs panel are separated by a grey line. Organizer 11 won't let me drag and drop anything across that line. Therefore all the tags that I created in previous versions of Organizer that record people's names can't be moved into "People Tags." I'm guessing in the internals / implementation of Organizer that Keywords and People Tags are of different types and are not compatible with one another. It's really hard to speculate on what design decision produced that behavior.
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I have a similar problem. I upgraded fro PSE7 to PSE 11 and the people tags are missing whereas they previously had a photo attached and were at the top of my keyword tag list. I tried your suggestion and while I have people tags there are no photos attached and the logos are plain blue logos.

Any and all assistance would be most welcome
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I have similar. Lots of people tagged in version 8. Upgraded to 11. I can show the people tags as suggested above, but under the people view, only people are shown. The other people tags are shown on the right side, but with no images associated. However, if I look at a specific image, it shows that it has the appropriate people tag under image tags. So, the tags are there, but they can't be accessed. How can I find all photos with a specific people tag that isn't shown in the people view? Something is messed up here.
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Here is a way that appears I could solve the problem that I originally reported. I had been using Keywords to tag appropriate images with the names of individuals who appeared in those images.

1. Add an individual's name to the appropriate section of "People Tags".
2. Use the "Find > By Details (Metadata)..." capability to locate all the images that have a keyword tag with that specific individual's name.
3. In the collection of images that is produced, do a "select all."
4. Drag and drop the appropriate individual's name onto one of the images. The name will be assoicated with all the images selected.
5. Just to clean up the tagging I would likely delete the individuals name from the "Keywords" section of the "Tags" pannel. I don't really see a benefit of having their name listed in both Keywords and People Tags.
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Would it import into lightroom if the keywords (as individual names) were added into the IPTC section which Elements 11 Organizer allows you to edit? I did a trial import of a large Elements 11 Catalogue into Lightroom 5 trial only to find most Face tags had disappeared but a few images had names associated. On investigation these had entries in the IPTC section. I'm not sure how I did this as it may have been embedded when I used Widows Live gallery to Face Tag...

You would have thought that for most people especially enthusiastic amateurs that face recognition software could write the data to the file....

Steve
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Horrible solutions. I have over 200 people in my old categories. Now I must manually retype all 200+ names, select each person, drop in the PSE 11 "People" tag and then delete the old tag?

Sounds like something designed by people in Washington D.C. Most definitely makes lots of work. Made me start looking for an alternative program before I begin merging in the next 28,000 pics from our geneology collection.
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The key to this issue is to use the option File menu or CTRL W to write metadata to the file in Elements 11. I think this option goes back at least to Elements 5
See this link
http://graphicssoft.about.com/od/psel...

Be interesting to see if retrospective use of PSE 6 catalog would still write to the PSE 11 catalogue or even to a Catalog transferred to Lightroom? Who feels brave!!!
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Lightroom 5.2 recognises that metadata has been changed if you do the write to file option. Not sure what would happen if you took the plunge and selected all the face tagged images in Elements 11.
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Did anyone every figure a solution to this problem? I upgraded to Windows 8 and so upgraded to Elements 12. This problem still exist. Very annoyed.

I tried Elements 10 in Windows 8 and many of the functions would get stuck and be very, very slow, so I upgraded. When Elements 10 imported the tag info after upgrading to Windows 8, I could drag and drop tags but it took over a minute. Doing a group drop took the same time so I did several moves. Since many things were slow and Adobe isn't supporting 10 in Win 8, I decided to upgrade to Elements 12. All the tabs I dragged and dropped in Elements 10 are in the people folder under family but the ones I didn't drag and drop in Elements 10 are still in the "Keywords tags" category under the "subcategory of "imported". I no longer can drag and drop the tags and from a top category to another, only within the category. This stinks!!!! and they didn't fix it for Elements 12!!!!!!
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So, I just moved to Lightroom 5. I was googling and came across this old thread that I had contributed a year back or so. I figured it would be good to follow up..I had moved my catalogs without issue from PSE11 to PSE13. My catalog used few keywords, but did have many people/places/events tags.I tried the following:

- Upgrading my PSE13 catalog to Lightroom 5.7 (via Lightroom's upgrade menu option). Few keywords came across. No tags. Likely for the reason above.

- Tried using PSEs 'save metadata to files'. No improvement.

- Tried making a brand new catalog and importing all photos back into PSE13. Keywords/tags weren't imported, so I didn't even attempt a Lightroom impoort.

- Tried Bill's actions from above. These are essentially the same, but rewritten a bit.

1. Created keywords with the same name as each tag. I did this for people, places, events, etc...Essentially these are will be the keywords we will be using instead of the tags.
2. Checked the box next to the TAG (the original). For example 'John' to select all images of John.
3. Selected all photos using CTRL-A.
4. Dragged them all to the KEYWORD "John". This adds the keyword. If you mouse over the keyword icon in the organizer, it will show a tag for John and a keyword for John.
5. I didn't do this, but it makes good sense...Delete the individuals name from the "Tags" panel. That way there is only 1 copy.
6. I did NOT have to write the meta data to file.
7. Used the 'Upgrade PS Elements catalog in Lightroom 5.7.

All images and videos had the appropriate keywords.

The bug is just the Lightroom doesn't read the 'Tag' section, but does read 'keywords'. I have about 100 items and it took me about 45 mins.