Photoshop: Ability to buy Photoshop as a perpetual license, instead of Creative Cloud

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I understand from a very reliable source that CS6 and Lightroom 4 will be the last photoshop software that will be available to actually purchase and own. In other words...You will not be able to purchase the software either on a disc or download that is yours to use indefinitely once you purchase the product. It will only be available via the cloud and everyone will be required to pay monthly license fee to use the product. This will allow all upgrades as long as you pay the fee...but if you cease to pay the fee, the software will be deactivated. If this is the case...and I believe it is...THIS SUCKS!

I have been Adobe user since I purchase the CS2 Creative Suite and used lightroom since it's inception. I have not purchase every upgrade, but have done so when I felt the changes warranted an upgrade. If Adobe insists on this business model, I will probably use one of the other photo editing product available on the market. There are several that will do most everything Adobe's software provides. I do not want to change...but Adobe's changes will force me to do so. I will purchase and use software...I WILL NOT "RENT" software which is what Adobe is proposing.
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It wouldn't surprise me at all if it moved this way. PS doesn't necessarily worry me too much if it went to the cloud. The version I am on is more than enough for my needs, but LR definitely would. I can't see how they would do a payment model for LR. LR doesn't have many advances in each minor release, mainly camera support and minor bug fixes. The £60 upgrade cost hardly warrants going to the cloud, and I'm not paying cloud prices just to get LR thrown in for "free".
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Adobe products will still be available for Photoshop and Lightroom as both box and as electronic download.
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Ryan Wight

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Lightroom 6 will be the last "box" version, meaning desktop based rather than cloud based. 
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I'm extremely disappointed about Adobes monopistic attitude to the market and the greed in moving everyone to creative cloud.

I am a professional. I have been paying for photoshop every 2 versions for 5 years. You will not see a single penny from me for creative cloud.

I buy software for features and improvements, not access.

Adobe moved from business ally to business threat in one move.

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Here's an idea. Don't force us to move to Creative Cloud. We want choice..
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Being a new photographer, I was a potential customer until I found out about the cloud exclusivity. I can understand how this would benefit the professional, but for us amateurs, $50/month is a lot. People like me have to save and budget to spend the money on a persistent license of Photoshop and Lightroom, and use it for 2 or 3 versions. I don't have the disposable income to use on a monthly fee.

Sorry I'm not rich enough for you, Adobe. I think we could have had a special thing, you and I.
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I sure wish that I could delete this comment. After I posted it, I learned how wrong I was. $10/mo is a fantastic deal for PS/LR.
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Well, adobe, you lost another customer to your new creative cloud model. Well done. I've been planning to buy photoshop for years, and I wish I'd done it before you pulled this antagonistic move, but I was saving my money... little did I know that you were planning to make all access transient and continually expensive. I'm not spending money to just rent it. If I pay for a product, I want to be able to get permanent access to the software: your new model has no benefit for me whatsoever and in truth is inconvenient in every conceivable way. If no one's pointed this out to you yet, you've totally alienated anyone who uses your software casually, and you've made it as hard as possible for anyone who doesn't continually have access to spare money each month, which is basically the calling-card of artists (ie, people who want to buy your product, in case you didn't know that either). Pity so many of your potential customers are also young students who are already in debt... I wonder what other products are out there? Because no way am I doing this. Guess I'll go do my research and spend my money somewhere else. Too bad: I've always wanted to get photoshop for myself. I've got no doubt there are plenty of people who feel like this who *aren't* taking the time to log onto your website and tell you so. If you care about anything other than making as much money as possible off of each individual customer, you should listen.
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The CC version of Photoshop AND Lightroom only costs me £8/month, not the $50 mentioned above. That is £2 per week, less than the cost of a pint of beer!! Most students drink far more than I pint a week IME, so having one pint less pays for PS and LR. Can't be bad!

PS I still have my non-CC copies of PS 6 and LR 5 if Adobe goes bust.
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Over time the cost adds up and will end up costing you more than the standalone desktop versions. 
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Hi Nina, Photoshop CS6 cost $699/$999 when it was available. But consider this: at that price you can have the Creative Cloud Photography Plan @ $9.99/mo for close to 6/8.5 years:

https://creative.adobe.com/plans/offer/photoshop+lightroom

The Creative Cloud Photography Plan includes Photoshop CC, Lightroom, Lightroom mobile, and get all the product updates/upgrades (e.g. Photoshop CC 2015, 2016, etc & Lightroom 2015, 2016, etc) for OS compatibility and support during that time. With the old model, you'd have to pay extra for upgrades, and support, in that same time period.

One of the reasons for moving to this model is to make sure customers can keep up with the fast changing technology landscape where Apple and Microsoft are updating OSes every 12 months and introducing new hardware and devices at a faster and faster rate.

Hope that helps
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9.99/mo.....as long as you don't use more than 20 GB worth of storage. Even my old iphone holds more than that!
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Adobe can go from charging $10 a month to $25, $55, $105 -- whatever they want -- any time they want.

And once you're locked in to their "subscription" plan, good luck ever getting out:  a company I once worked for bought a subscription for a project.  It took a nasty letter from our corporate lawyer to get the automatic payments to stop after the project was completed.

I'm using CS 6 and will continue to do so until Adobe lets me buy a perpetual license again.  Or until CS 6 stops working, at which point I will switch to the ON1 product.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled How can I buy Photoshop cs6 as a gift for someone else so that this person can ow....
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled If I want to buy Photoshop CS6 for Mac where should I start?.

I am in the process of purchasing. Anybody can help me answer some questions.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled can i buy photoshop CS6 Disc only, i have the serial key.

can i buy photoshop CS6 Disc only, i have the serial key
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled how do I get a non-cloud copy of Photoshop CS 6 with bridge?.

Hi I am about to upgrade my computer and with it Photoshop. On NO ACCOUNT do I want the "cloud" version. Where.how can I get a normal copy of PS6 (educational package), with bridge, compatible with my Canon EOS 1dx and Canon 6 email su.stewart@live.co.uk
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled BRING BACK OWNED APPLICATIONS TO A REASONABLE PRICE.

Bring back owned software to a reasonable price, for the home users. Do you think, that every user of Adobe's software, is a Hollywood production, which can afford to pay such sky high fees?

What about the home users? Why are they charged like a Hollywood production? It makes no sense logically, neither economically?

If Adobe attempted to create a hateful opinion on itself, and be extremely negligent to it's home users, i applaud you, mission accomplished, mission successful, we all sure hate you now.

On the other hand, if what you tried was to meet your home users as well as your business users, mission failed.

Don't play so precious, it's software, get over it, people are willing to pay for it too, but not pay ALL their money. Adobe's attitude is like that of a spoiled child, who doesn't want to share anything, and guess what (nobody likes those kids, no matter what they've got)
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Just a wild idea!.

Perhaps you could get yourself together, admit the CC was Adobe's biggest mistake in the near future, and go back to owned applications, or at least, make such option available, to an affordable price for the average home users too!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Could you, please?.

Could you bring back owned applications, to an affordable price, thanks, that'd be all!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Dump the mandatory CC subscriptions and give us perpetual licenses!.

DUMP THE MANDATORY CC SUBSCRIPTIONS AND GIVE US WHAT WE WANT. PERPETUAL LICENSES!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Offer perpetual licensed software..

Go back to offering software as purchased standalone. Subscription only is a very bad idea and bad for longtime users.
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A lot of lifelong Photoshop users are switching to GIMP or paint.net, which are free and very similar to PhotoShop because of the subscription pricing.  Software is merely a tool, like a hammer, a hammer maker would never try to get the customer to pay a monthly fee to continue using the hammer.   BAD MOVE ADOBE... I will never buy your products again...
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Apples and oranges. A hammer maker would also not improve the hammer regularly after you have already bought it.
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What if you like the hammer exactly the way it is and don't want to upgrade for several years?
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If everyone did that, Adobe would have to charge much, much more for their software or go bust, or both. Just as the hammer-maker would go bust when everyone has a hammer, or switch to making screwdrivers! ;)

Bob Frost
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Nonsense, everyone did that for decades and adobe made lots of money with the initial purchase being well over £600 and upgraded when the photographer wanted to. People take up photography all the time and buy stuff like that.  For your information, hammer makers sell hammers all the time, just because most people have got one, doesn't mean they don't sell any more! Your theory would only work if everone lived forever and no one was ever born!
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled buy without a subscription.

The company which I'm working cannot add Adobe Cloud cause of company restrictions. Can I buy Adobe software without a subscription? I'll need Photoshop, Illustrator and Bridge. latest versions. thank you,
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Perpetual licenses are not being sold for Adobe CC products. 
So I guess you can
• either (at your own risk) try to purchase licenses for CS6 products from other sources than Adobe
• or try to amend your company’s policy
• or look into alternative software. 
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HA!  Good luck with that!

Adobe doesn't care.  It's pay them whatever they're charging (about US$10 per month now, but they can change it any time they want) and once you start paying, YOU CAN'T EVER GET OUT.
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Well, some other applications can read psd-files so it may be possible to edit the files without CC later on but I suspect that this might aversely affect Smart Objects in particular. 
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PhotoLine reads and imports PSD files with Smart Objects, and keeps them intact. Of course, PSD *is* a proprietary native Adobe file format, so some things will not be compatible. But PhotoLine's PSD import is one of the best ones around: it keeps most adjustment layers, layer effects, smart objects, text, groups, and so on.
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Thanks, good to read that Smart Objects are no problem in principle for non-Adobe image editors. 
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For the record....as the original poster of this thread....I have not purchased (nor do I plan to purchase) an Adobe photo related product since my original post.  I continue to use the products that I OWNED at the time.  If the time comes that it is inoperable...I will look elsewhere...but will not purchase a product with a so-called perpetual license.  Have I missed something?...maybe.  But as a casual (but avid) photographer I can still do everything I feel necessary to enjoy my photography.  Had I been able to purchase an updated version...I probably would have.  But as I promised in the original post...Adobe will not "rent" me anything!
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> But as I promised in the original post...Adobe will not "rent" me anything!>

Although my workflow means I will rent from Adobe until I can't afford to, and currently thoroughly enjoy the newer features that are only offered through the subscription, I also keep in touch with the apps that offer perpetual licenses (at least for now), in case the time comes when it doesn't make sense for me to stay. I hope that time doesn't come and the Photography plan continues to be very affordable, since I get the best of all worlds — Photoshop's raw power and the 3rd party apps and extensions that make good use of the power built in to PS.

 I have noted that much of the competition will handle my PSD files, as will PSE, of course. So I don't feel I'm losing anything by renting. My files remain viable, and I'd be paying to upgrade regularly anyway.  I expect much of the competition finds it worth their while to stay compatible with PS and will going forward. The computing world isn't quite as proprietarial about their formats as they were when I first started buying personal software.

I know a lot of people who feel just like you about "renting," though. I would prefer the option to buy at least an older version— one that got renewed every so often, so as CS6 falls by the wayside, perhaps CC 2014 takes its place. But no one else offers (yet) what PS offers, so I have adjusted—with an eye on options, as I said.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled I'm not paying a monthly fee for software only.

You require me to pay a monthly for for just the photoshop software. I'm not doing it. I think you can charge me a one time fee for the software. I don't want the cloud and don't want to pay for it. I just want to pay one time for software and use it indefinitely. Until you comply, I will not buy any of your products.
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First off: I am not an Adobe representative! 
Have you actually calculated the costs of the Photography Plan for the likely length of your usage compared to perpetual licenses and upgrades for comparable products or Adobe’s previous licensing model? 

In any case if you are not willing to accept the licensing model Adobe has decided on then I guess there are alternatives available that either offer perpetual licenses (Affinity Photo for example) or are freeware (Gimp for example). 
From what I’ve read some of them may in some regards even offer superior features/performance. 
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i do not see what the problem is with some people, before PS went into the cloud, i could not afford the $100s to $1000s of dollars that were charged for this program.

this is a whole lot better idea of buying software, you get the latest versions( i agree that sometimes the update does not work for everybody) but most of the time it does.

and as to canceling a subscription, that is very easy to do. been there done that with illustrator,  used the program for what i wanted then canceled.

as to before when buying the program, you never DID!!. you only had a license to use it.
and then you had to pay more money to get a update.... very primitive if you ask me.
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So if you use photoshop several times a week and have done for years, then your income falls due to ill health, lower pay following redundancy and you have to cancel all but essential expenses, you also lose the tool that you need to fulfil your creativity! This is why perpetual licence is vital for those of us who regularlys use photoshop.
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No, West Side Railways, canceling a subscription is NOT easy to do.  My last employer before I retired rented Photoshop for a project.  When they had completed the project, they tried to cancel the subscription.

The debits to the corporate credit card continued, even after multiple calls to customer support.

Finally, our corporate attorney had to get involved.

That is what it's going to take to cancel a subscription.  Be sure to budget for a lawyer:  it will cost about as much as a perpetual license.
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Ken.barber
well, i do not know about you, but, it has worked for me.
just checked my adobe account  and i am only paying for PS digital.

Peter Leigh
so you are saying that you can not afford to buy the digital version,but, you can afford to buy the perpetual...   does not make sense to me.
well it depends on weather you need PS to bring in the money or not.
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I've never heard of "PS digital" and have no idea what it is.

Now to explain what life is like for us retired folks.

We live on something called a "pension," which for most of us isn't enough to actually make ends meet.  So, even ten dollars a month is too much for some of us.

And there's no guarantee that the price will remain at ten dollars a month.  Adobe can change it any time, to $20, $50, whatever they want.  And since you have given them access to your bank account, they will take it from you.

Once in a great while, most of us come across some kind of a windfall.  It is at those times that we CAN afford to buy a perpetual license, and continue using it until the next windfall comes along - sometimes years away.

Life for a retired person is like being a fiddler on a roof.

Does that explain it why I can afford a perpetual license but can't afford to rent my software?
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