Photoshop: Why change the crop tool in CS6? How can I get the old behavior back?

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Why did the crop method change? For so many years, cropping worked by moving the crop frame in the image. Now, you have to move the image around the crop frame. For those of us who actually came out of the darkroom, the new way is awkward. Why did it have to change?
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Mark Bialek

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We are supposed to use these forums rather than call in, but what good is it if we don't get an answer? All I want to know is, is it a possibility that we can get the previous version's superior crop tool back in the form of a real classic mode? Are you working on a decision? Is anything happening?

Or is it case closed? I'm using CS4 again, and my CS6 is just sitting there. $200 and just sitting there. I'm onboard with your upgrade policy and everything. Been using PS forever. And day after day, I come to this forum and no answers, just frustration. I call in and I get insulted.

I don't expect a fix overnight. I'm just asking for the status of this. What do we have to do, get a petition together?
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I went back to CS5, I just could not get the CS6 crop tool to work the way I wanted without slowing me down. To be honest, I don't see enough extra goodies in CS6 anyway to make it worth the upgrade. CS5 works perfectly fine for me.

A waste of $200.00 I guess for the upgrade.
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is it a possibility that we can get the previous version's superior crop tool back in the form of a real classic mode? Are you working on a decision? Is anything happening?
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Mark Bialek

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You there, Jeff?
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stabakovich

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Jeff and other Adobe employees apparently only reply to questions where they can pretend they're successfully answering them. Clearly, there is NO answer to "why does the "Classic" tool setting NOT work and LOOK like a classic tool?" And, clearly, feedback from customers includes the feedback from these customers here, who clearly do NOT think the new crop tool is all it should be and is as far from sliced bread it can only be.

I can summarize the changes and their impact through this analogy: While the old Crop tool was sleek, fast, easy to use, see the results in high precision and professional, the new one seems like it was made with Legos - it is an unprofessional eye candy, introduces distractions and turns the image cropping display into a joke - as if someone was thinking "well, users don't REALLY need to see the cropped edge - we know better what they should be seeing - distractions we're so fond of currently."

Whatever Adobe - WHAT-EVER!

AND NO, THIS QUESTION WAS NOT ANSWERED SUCCESSFULLY!
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The perspective crop tool does appear to be the closest thing to a real classic mode, but it's not the same.
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Jim Zietz

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Have you all noticed how much the photoshop "teachers" seem to like the new crop tool? I'm talking about the guys who make a living teaching PS at workshops and writing instructional books.

I guess they can't be negative if they want to get early releases from Adobe.They have to be able to have their books ready when the program is released.

I now have a new perspective on these "teachers".
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YES I too noticed that all the blogs seemed to praise the new crop tool. Yuck.
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Simon Cook

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I just joined the photoshop Facebook page to post up the problem maybe a facebook page for unhappy croppers might help get some attention as I'm getting increasingly agitated as to how its just being blanked out as if it were not an issue.
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It's only an issue to us. From the start, Adobe's answer is "use faux classic mode." Don't kid yourself. They have no intention of doing ANYTHING about this.
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I have an idea to have a simple crop tool in CS6. It could behave exactly like the old crop tool that existed way back when and replace the poor version they now call classic but is actually not as it still means extra work and it could be called the legacy crop

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
A simple quick and easy crop tool for CS6.
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Sort of like a "Quick Crop" as in "Quick Selection" partners with Magic Wand.

That seems like a fair idea and may go some way to satisfying those who have a specific workflow that relied heavily on the functionality of the previous Crop Tool.
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I got some friendly feedback off Adobe finishing with this reply:
Thanks for the input Simon, throw a post up on the feedback site and we'll keep an eye on it. If you have friends that feel the same way as you, point them to your post so that they can add a "+ vote" to the thread. The more votes we get, the more the team notices the community desire!
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Thats great. Unfortunately its not a post one can vote on as it has been moved to join a rant list full of negative comments about Adobes practices. But dont give up.
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+

That work?
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Mark Bialek

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Adobe, why don't you send out a questionnaire asking those that just bought CS6 what they like and dislike about it?
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Great idea!
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Susan Rainwater

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Exactly. It's not clear what they mean. Can't the developers read? The meaning of the comments in this forum is pretty clear.
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Simon Cook

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My idea is to reintroduce the choice of Crop Tool as it used to be up until CS5. I know there is a 'classic' version in CS6 but its still over complicated why not have the original version also as a choice. A lot of us clients of yours are missing it as it was a quick, easy and simple to use tool. You could call it the 'legacy' crop tool its sorely missed

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Bring Back The Missing Crop Tool.
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Yeah, that's everyone's idea, not just yours.
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Elizabeth Orazi

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The '+' is at the very top, right underneath the original question. After you click it. it says that x number of people are following this question.
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Is it possible that Adobe doesn't pay attention to questions that have been deemed "answered"?
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Chris Cox, Sr. Computer Scientist

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We are paying attention, regardless of the topic status.
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Thank you Chris. :)
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Yes, we are listening, and we thank those of you who are kind enough to provide constructive criticism. I'm sorry many of you take such a cynical view of our motives. I assure you that every change we make is with the customer in mind.

Note that any redesign of a tool is going to cause some disruption and require some re-learning before you become efficient with it. After an adjustment period, hopefully most people will find some advantages in the redesign and not continue to feel that their workflow has been compromised. We have found this to be the case with many of our customers who were taken aback at first but now love the new Crop Tool. Nevertheless, we understand that there are some legitimate concerns with the new tool and we do see room for improvements. To that end, know that we are looking into the issues which have been raised in this thread.

In the meantime, I'll try to provide some tips here that will hopefully help you adjust to the redesigned Crop Tool.

Front Image
"Front Image" functionality is available in two places in CS6:
1. Context Menu > Use Front Image Size & Resolution.
2. Popup Menu > Size & Resolution > Select "Front Image" from the Source popup.

Initial Mouse-Down Behavior / "Rotation Problem"
You can drag out a new crop box like in CS5 rather than using the default crop box. Just click and drag from inside the crop box, or hold Shift down when you click and drag from outside the crop box (you can release Shift after the initial click to stop constraining proportions).

Save As / Flatten
If you want your flat document to remain flat after cropping, don't turn off "Delete Cropped Pixels". When you do so, your cropped image will have layers ("Background" will be converted to a layer) because only normal layers can contain pixel data outside the canvas. As a result saving to a JPEG will require "Save As" because JPEG doesn't support layered documents.
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For me, it's not a question of getting used to a redesigned tool. The disruption is from the tool now being less efficient and actually getting in the way. My main problem with the tool (not counting the issue of settings being buried more deeply than before) is the crop box being there constantly until you switch to another tool.

I have figured out how to make the new crop tool work for me. It just takes several more steps now to do what I need to do with it.

I'm not a person who is resistant to change. I like just about everything else about CS6 (especially the raw converter). If there was a true "classic mode", I'd be happy.
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This is my problem too -- the new tool is less efficient for the way I work. I'm getting used to it, but I don't see the point in taking away a tool that I like. Just make the true classic mode another option on the crop button.
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Exactly. "less efficient and getting in the way."
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We don't want to change/fix what isn't broken!
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Simon Cook

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I just don't understand why there is no choice provided to us folk who have to use PS in our jobs to access the original crop tool. The 'classic' setting is not what it pretends to be and simplicity and speed of use has been compromised in preference of clever tricks its so annoying I am going to start using CS5 again until its sorted
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So Tai... does "constructive criticism" mean we have to like/use the new crop tool (be sure and to read this blog thread so you can see how wildly loved your new crop too is) and acquiesce to Adobe's design kids who haven't learned yet that if it's not broke, don't fix it? PLEASE GIVE US THE OPTION FOR THE CS5 CROP TOOL AS IT IS IN CS5 WITH THE CLASSIC OPTION. It's can't be that difficult as you already have the code written for the CS5 Crop tool. To me, a person who has invested LOTS of MONEY with Adobe... Adobe is staying to me "We are going to do it our way and we don't care about you!" I haven't seen a company treat their customers this badly in a while. Please correct this.
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Chris and Tai,
Thank you for addressing our concerns. We had not heard from Jefferey since his original post so it is very nice to know that we are being heard after all. Yes re-learning is frustrating. However, we have all seen many times when a product that has been 'new and improved' has lost a lot of the beauty of it's original simplicity. We hope that will Adobe will prove to be responsive with our crop tool concerns. Sometimes simple is very, very good. Again, thank you.
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I have no idea how difficult it is to implement in but if the choice of the original old style simple 'legacy' crop was available along with the 'classic' if needed everyone would be happy
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seriously! why even call it classic if it does not behave in the same way??
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Because the Development's Manager's son needed a job...
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I can only hope Photoshop listens about the crop tool. I've been using CS6 since one of the later beta versions. I still curse to myself every time I have to crop, which can be be dozens to hundreds of times a day. Just having the crop tool go to the full image by default is stupid for anyone who does custom work. We crop the image, not the file. This is what Photoshop was developed, I assume, to enhance the image.
Just make the legacy a real legacy option & everyone who is posting to this will be happy. Yes it's work but we all deal with that.
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When you make a major change in something as fundamental as the crop tool, you have to take it very seriously. And that means maintaining the ease of use and simplicity first and foremost. The crop tool has worked beautifully for many versions. It has all these new bells and whistles now, which is nice, but it lost what is most important. I keep trying to get used to it, and always go back to the faster CS4 crop tool just to get my jobs done.
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In addition, after all these years of loyal photoshop use, I was forced to buy CS6, or face losing the upgrade price. Forced to buy, and when you do buy, the new program's crop tool is worse. As a user, I've lost my options. To me, it seems like it's your way or the highway. Upgrade, upgrade, you better hurry and upgrade for $200 EVERY SINGLE YEAR, and then to make matters worse, when I do upgrade, the crop tool is completely different, cumbersome, non-intuitive, annoying, not user-friendly, pointless in the way it forces you to work.

I'm sorry but I live in America, and I don't like being forced to buy something EVERY SINGLE YEAR (or have to pay full price again if you don't), when the tool we use the most (crop tool) is changed without regard for those who liked and needed the old superior tool. From this customer's perspective, it's a double whammy. How can we upgrade every single year when the older version works just fine and the new version takes a backwards step like this?

I'm very unhappy. We need more competition.
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There's always Gimp.
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If it doesn't get fixed, I'll just consider the 200 bucks a loss, and if still no change in CS7, then I'm done. No possible way I would buy a new version ever again with a crop tool like this. They got me this time, because I didn't know how bad it was. Never again.
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I tried to post the idea of reintroducing the simple crop tool in 'ideas' but I think it seems to of been moved. I'm not sure why there is such resistance at Adobe because even free software now can compete on the most basic level by offering a quick easy and better crop tool than Adobe can
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Tai Luxon - wrote
{Note that any redesign of a tool is going to cause some disruption and require some re-learning before you become efficient with it. After an adjustment period, hopefully most people will find some advantages in the redesign and not continue to feel that their workflow has been compromised. We have found this to be the case with many of our customers who were taken aback at first but now love the new Crop Tool. Nevertheless, we understand that there are some legitimate concerns with the new tool and we do see room for improvements. To that end, know that we are looking into the issues which have been raised in this thread}

Thanks for the update and hopefully the issues raised here will be addressed. But as I have posted on this topic before, while the new crop tool is very functional, it does not address productivity, additional key strokes add up very quickly and when working on batches of images (200+) from an event becomes tiresome. But you could make be a very happy camper in a heartbeat by just bringing back the resolution box to the toolbar. Eliminates key strokes, and for GUI consistency will look the same as the Perspective Crop function.

Mike
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I have learned, in 50 years of my life experience, that patting oneself on one's own back is the most gratifying of all delusions.
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I agree with Mike. Bringing back the resolution box would be an immense time saver.
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Not for me. I'm doing web implementation. I couldn't care less about the resolution box. What I need is the original fast crop tool that lets me start my crop from outside the image and make fast slices. So like Simon, I want the original crop tool back.
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Well the original crop did have the resolution box - so bringing back the original crop would make us both happy :)
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"Do you want to crop this image?" keeps popping up! Commit current crop, cancel current crop... before, all you had to do was draw a box and crop. The crop outline that will not go away is like a vice on the photo. If you choose another tool, it keeps asking that question. It's forcing you to take extra steps. Try cropping 50 images at 300 dpi @ 10inches, some vertical, some horizontal. Do it in both CS4 and CS6 and tell me which one is faster.

Yes, bring back the resolution box with H/W toggle and take the vice grips off the image. Classic mode would solve everything.