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Three long winded steps that could be reduced to ONE action...

1) When resizing i have to tick Accept (or is it called Apply). Why this extra step?
Cant we just have it apply automatically, after all there's an "undo" available...

2) Import as layers. Why is this so difficult and complicated?
sometimes i have a multi-layer document, and i need to import many photos as layers - not an uncommon action according to search-engine results. So why is 'import into stack' buried in submenus? Why is the only option to import into a New document? There are many workarounds, but can't we just have the option to import to current doc?

3) Moving Layers to other Docs. Can we simplify this? A simple drag layer to another tab would save soooo much time. All this Duplicate to Document dialog boxes seems so oldfashioned when just dragging could do the job easily.

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One is being discouraged from posting lists of requests because it makes it difficult to assess the support any one of the listed requests gets. 

ad 1) What exactly are you talking about? Image > Image Size, the Crop Tool, Edit > Transform > Free Transform ...? 

ad 2) Which work-arounds have you checked out so far? 
Have you tried creating a Script for the task and do you want to import the images as pixel Layers or Smart Objects? 

Point 3 seems peculiar – have you actually tried simply dragging the Layers from the Layers Panel to the other image window? 
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I can add:
2) Google "Import Folder as Layers" you will find solutions. I am using  the one from Trevor Morris successfully since years.
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1) when you resize a non-smart object, you degrade the image. That's why when using transform you can do multiple transforms before applying the degradation. And you do know that you can simply hit Return when you're ready to apply?

2) Drag and drop from Bridge.

3) You've been able to move Layers to other tabs for a few years now.
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#2: I can drag and drop multiple files directly from my file browser into an existing doc. Depending on your preference settings, it'll try to add as a smart object or not, with scaling applied or not.
#3: Dragging layers into tabs broke for several versions but is back now. For me it stopped working in 2014 and started in... I think 2015.5? Not certain.
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And then there's DOCO, which makes dragging between documents, and more, really, really easy.

I also select many files in Bridge, drag them into an existing document, no problem. Since they're SOs, they're ready to be transformed to the existing doc.
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Thank you for the serious replies.

As for 'use google' or 'which methods have you tried' replies it really would be better for everyone if you didn't say anything. I realise that 99% of the people here are on Day 1 of Whats a Computer Course, but many of us are not. In a few days you will understand just how irritating such pat relies are. Please don't cry, I'm just saying that I've googled my questions, and tried DOZENS of suggestions - way too many to list... AND ALL OF THEM were NOT beneficial.

@Eartho: well done about pointing out the degradation of the image - I still don't think we need the extra 'apply'. At least make it an option to turn off for those of us that want our changes to be one step not two (click a tick, or pressing enter)

I have the latest version of photoshop (Feb 2017), and dragging layers to other tabs does NOT work - in standard display mode / everything maximised. (if you change the display mode to something else then it does work). But next time you need your car fixed, im sure that if I say 'get a bike' you'll understand that an alternative is not a fix.

Using Bridge...
I rarely use bridge as im still with 'other' media managers, which are still better. But I will  try again to make use of Bridge, if only for this ONE problem of importing files.
Again, NOT a good solution. A feature that should be readily available in Photoshop requires a separate program !! Oh and click the tick for each and every one... (again NOT necessary, especially as they are smart objects !!).

Thanks anyway.

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Maybe I misunderstood your post so please clarify: 
As you seem to feel comfortable offering conjectures about other people’s experience and judgement on the worth of their utterances would you feel equally comfortable discussing your conduct and of which standards your posts fell short? 
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The only falling short here is your misunderstanding of whats been said. Feel free to comment on whatever you like - proving my point about going off topic !
But seriously, if you have something productive to add please do. Otherwise chose a more appropriate forum for voicing your opinions about non photoshop topics.
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Well then let me point out what I see as some shortcomings in your first two posts: 

First there is the accuracy-deficiency of the original post: 
• In your original post in point 1 you did not mention the name of the operation (as indicated in the menu) you were talking about, rescaling can be performed in several ways in Photoshop. 
• In point 2 you used a name (»import into stack«) I can’t identify – it seem likely you meant meant »Load Files into Stack« but you did not use that name. 
• Your original point 3 offered an incomplete description as the issue in question only arises only under certain conditions – as you mentioned in your second post to the thread. 

Then there are stylistic aspects and your peculiar choices of words: 
• »Three long winded steps that could be reduced to ONE action«
With »long winded steps« did you maybe mean »operations«, »procedures«, »routines«, ...? 
Because the »long windedness« would seem to lie in that there is more than one step necessary. 
• »Why this extra step?«, »Why is this so difficult and complicated?«, »Can we simplify this?«
Do you really need to add a question every time and could a statement not have conveyed the same information without the petulant tone? 
And who do you mean with »we« in the third one exactly? 
• »I realise that 99% of the people here are on Day 1 of Whats a Computer Course, but many of us are not.«
When introducing percentages as a frame of reference taking 1% to mean »many« seems a strange, even if technically not illegitimate, choice; also your estimate would necessitate that every day a remarkable number of first-day-users would have to join in to keep up the percentage. 
• »But next time you need your car fixed, im sure that if I say 'get a bike' you'll understand that an alternative is not a fix.«
That one I kind of like, it makes a valid point and it uses a car analogy. 
But as Cristen Gillespie pointed out nicely it is not meant derogatively if someone answers with possible work-arounds or alternatives to a Feature Request, it’s often an attempt at helping a fellow user even if it may not be successful. 

Furthermore there is the way in which you betray your ignorance of this Forum, which would not be noteworthy if you did not accuse others of being ignorant: 
• You appear to be unfamiliar with this Forum’s etiquette – as evidenced by you posting a list of Feature Requests. 
That is not a problem in itself as I myself have noticed no readily available Forum-guidelines, either, but do you intend to act on the information and post three separate Requests? 
• You accuse people of inexperience but simply clicking the names would have provided you an easy opportunity to see when they joined this Forum and some numbers on their contributions. Naturally these numbers do not prove a terrible lot but they might still have provided some perspective. 

Lastly there is the issue of courtesy: 
• You did not answer a question on whether you attempted a custom Scripting approach regarding point 2 of the original post. 
• You seemed to try to belittle people who contributed to this thread 
– by telling them that it would be better if they did not say anything 
– by implying they lack experience 
– by imploring them not to cry 
which seems unbeseeming and beside the point to me. 

I have tried to make my points clearly and I am not discouraged by your request (»Otherwise chose a more appropriate forum for voicing your opinions about non photoshop topics.«) because I think manners and terminology matter on this Forum as in any conversation. 
Even if I myself do fail at times in employing the appropriate tone  ... 

Good luck! 
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@Jon - If you did not want help, suggestions, workarounds, etc You could have simply said "Thanks for the replies, but I am not interested in alternatives. I am just making a feature request."

Perhaps in future requests, you can add at the beginning:
"I do not want replies except from Adobe devs. I reserve the right to mock and belittle community members who post responses."

And if your car breaks down and you really want to get to work, a bike is better than nothing while you wait for the mechanic.
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> I have the latest version of photoshop (Feb 2017), and dragging layers to other tabs does NOT work - in standard display mode / everything maximised. (if you change the display mode to something else then it does work). But next time you need your car fixed, im sure that if I say 'get a bike' you'll understand that an alternative is not a fix.>

I'm not sure what your problem is. I have 2017. With Auto Select Layer/Group turned on, I can drag whatever is the top layer or group in my document onto another tab and deposit those layers into that document—in Standard Screen mode—without Tiling first. With Auto Select Layer/Group turned off, I can select multiple layers or an entire group in the Layers panel and drag them from the Layers panel onto another tab, and they'll be deposited. It was broken, but was fixed some time ago. I can do it in 2015.5. 

Am I completely misunderstanding what you're trying to do with dragging layers to tabs?

An alternative is not a "fix," I agree. I always suggest alternatives if they're very cheap or free when people make requests because a) the amount of time you'll wait for Adobe to fulfill what you think of as a simple feature request can be years, and b) I don't spend all my free time trawling the internet looking for alternatives, so I'm always grateful if someone shares what they've found with me, and c) I have been using PS for many, many years, but I know I sometimes don't remember everything I ever learned about using it, and again, I'm grateful when people remind me that there is a way I can do something that isn't too burdensome.

I find the problem with tabs is they can be too numerous to show up. What you can't do is have 15 tabs open and drag onto a tab that is hidden in the drop down list. That's why I switched to DOCO as soon as someone very kindly suggested trying it as an alternative "fix"  to me. It doesn't fix Photoshop, but it lets me get on with my life, and I have much bigger fixes I want Photoshop to make that I'm still waiting on—and complaining about. <g>

I understand an extra click can feel too burdensome, and I'm very sorry about that. It can annoy me too, just as scrolling through a list of unwanted image formats when using Save As annoys me, or always having to click OK in an extra dialog pop up when I always want the last used option annoys me. It's certainly fine to complain about these things. It's also fine to make feature requests asking them to change things. But if others don't understand that that's all you're doing, and think maybe you want workarounds or alternatives or information, unless you have specifically stated that you DON'T want anyone to reply, it seems a bit churlish to me to inform us that you don't need our help AFTER the fact.

> 1) When resizing i have to tick Accept (or is it called Apply). Why this extra step?
Cant we just have it apply automatically, after all there's an "undo" available...>

I'm not sure what you're referring to here. Resizing in the Image Size dialog, or with one of the many different Transformation tools? Either way, I personally would prefer to see the results first and hit the return key to apply the command than have them applied first and I have to then undo. I have my reasons, as I'm sure you have yours.

> There are many workarounds, but can't we just have the option to import to current doc?>

I agree. And if you had stated that as a separate FR, I'd have voted for it. Not that I haven't done so before and no doubt will do again. . .
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Its amazing how bent-out-of-shape the fanbois get. Yet again I'm reminded that these forums are the playground of noob fans.
When I make software requests, to simplify a process, or illustrate a popular work method, or report a hindrance, etc. I am usually asked for more info, or told the company simply doesn't have the resources to develop any further. Only here in the Adobe forums do I hear the response "oh this person doesn't know what google is for or how to find a workaround..."

Now the best advice here is don't make a list - apparently we have to wait until others vote on an idea before any 'staff' even read the request.
Thank god my company doesn't have this attitude.

And as for DOCO. Well that sums it up doesn't it.
Lack of understanding of what you can do with photoshop without plugins, and a serious lack of understanding on how feature requests (product development) works, equals money for plugin makers.

Good for them I guess.

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apparently we have to wait until others vote on an idea before any 'staff' even read the request.
That is not a correct conclusion.  
Below is a quote from 
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/welcome_to_the_photoshop_family_feedback_site...
We will read every post and use the information and rankings you provide to help inform the future of our products. 
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I just saw this. Sorry to reply to it so late in the "game". Somehow I don't get notifications anymore from this forum.

And quite frankly, I wouldn't touch this post with a nine inch pole as it seems waaay off topic and took a direction that is poisonous and not very constructive...

But I do reply because you mentioned "google it" twice and I feel that you are talking about my post.

I would like to apologize that I threw the term "google" into my reply, besides giving you a direct link to a tool I am using since before it was possible to drag images into a Photoshop document. I did mention google because there is more options out there than the one I directly linked for you. I actually googled those exact words as a test before I replied. And I also took the time to test that you can actually drag images directly form your desktop, and I imagine also from the finder, into Photoshop and depending on your settings, Photoshop will "import" those images into one single Photoshop document as smart objects. Also into the current document.

So yeah, I took my time, thought about your problem and I tried to help. I feel like I turned your feature request into a "look, it's already possible" to get you to what you need done faster. Sorry if that offended you...

To mention that plugins are bad things because Photoshop should be the eg-laing-wool-milk-schwein, would be like asking your family van to pull a 40 ton load, serve in the deep desert sand and consume close to zero fuel while making 200 miles an hour. I am grateful for plugins and extensions and thankful for the hard work those people put into extending the core application beyond what the team at Adobe can come up with.

I do agree with you on one thing. It's very hard these days to reach out to Adobe and get their attention. I think it's because they grew so big that there are millions of people using their software. And I do also understand that with so much popularity, each one of those users might think they know it better and Adobe needs to filter those requests and help the ones that have a real problem. And I do see the staff replying on those topics rapidly with a lot of passion and patience. And in some cases their recurring responses could have been googled...
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