Photoshop: Messes up Lightroom developement

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Hello. A strange behavior i have discovered. Not sure if it is a Bug or a normal behavior. If it is a normal Behavior it does not seems to be documented. LR and PS are up to date

1) in catalog setting on the Metadata Tab tick "Include Develop Setting in metadata...." and untick "Automatically write changes in XMP"

2) Take a PSD of TIFF that is in your catalog

3) Make some developments in Lightroom

4) Right click on the Photo and select "Edit In" and  "Edit in Photoshop" and select "Edit Original"

5) In Photoshop make any change. Close and Save

6) Back in Lightroom the development done in step 3 have disappear. If you go in the history tab you can see them but the last step is not selected. If you select it all is back to normal

If you Tick "Automatically write changes in XMP" you don't have the problem
If you untick "Include Develop Setting in metadata...." you don't have the problem

The problem is if you tick "Include Develop Setting in metadata...." and untick "Automatically write changes in XMP"
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If you untick "Include Develop Setting in metadata...." you don't have the problem

That's how it's meant to work - "Include Develop Setting in metadata...." is meant to be unticked to achieve what you want.

Basically, if you have this ticked, you'd see the changes you made in LR, when you go into Photoshop. If it's unticked, you won't see it in Photoshop but when you return to LR, you'd see it(along with what you did in PS) because the develop settings are stored in the catalog rather than being burnt into the PSD or Tiff before heading to PS. 
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Thanks. Yes this is the same situation. I did'nt find it because it was a old bug ;)
 
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Until Adobe gets around to fixing this bug, if ever,  just click the top step in history.  Easy workaround.
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This is a long term bug
Bloody hell - all these years I thought this was as designed and the "Include Develop" switch was to prevent it. Cheers for clearing that up, Bob. 
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At step 4, the Lr developments that you made at step 3 are baked (rendered) into the the image that got sent to Photoshop. Whatever development settings embedded (or not embedded) has no bearing on what you see in Photoshop. The dev settings are marked as having been applied.

At step 5, after you made an further changes (destructive edits) and save back into Lr. Lr essentially will handle the newly saved PSD/TIF as a new asset with no Lr dev settings applied (the old Lr dev settings has been applied to the image before sending to PS and PS made more edits that Lr understand not). So this is the as-designed behavior.
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Thanks bu the problem is that is you send to PS choosing to Edit the Origial LR dev are not rendered into the image
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Simon,
The OP is using Edit Original.  The Lightroom Edits are not baked in.  The Original photo is being edited it Photoshop and when it is returned to Lr is should have the Photoshop edits and then Lightroom should reapply the edits in history to the changed TIFF.  Lr doesn't reapply the history even though the history is there.  It works in some scenarios but not others.  See here for a more thorough analysis of the issue.   It should be easy to fix as Lr just needs to select the top history step on return from Photoshop no matter what the scenario is.  

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/develop-settings-applied-to-tiff-disappear-af...
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Ah, I see. Sorry I misunderstood the use case. Thanks for the clarification. It is valid use case.
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Perhaps you don't understand the difference between destructive (Photoshop) and non-destructive (Lightroom) photo editing? Photoshop is modifying the image and not creating a list of modifications that are only applied when the image is displayed or exported. The only way to transfer Photoshop edits to Lightroom is to save the Photoshop image, perhaps as a DNG or TIFF.
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Bill
You should read this link and then maybe you will understand the issue. 

https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/develop-settings-applied-to-tiff-disappear-af...
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Merci à Oui Oui Photo d'avoir relancé le débat...

Non, ce n'est probablement pas un bug, aussi de permettre à l'utilisateur de ne jamais modifier un document bitmap avec des données LR post traitement et peut-être un manque de description pratique.... Ou un soucis de traduction ?
Perso je préfère ne jamais modifier les originaux directement, surtout que certain apn, nous donnent des .jpg u même quelques rares du .tif. Ce sont des originaux, autant ne pas les saloper avec des éléments LR, au cas où on souhaiterai abandonner Adobe !