Photoshop: Selecting groups expands the group (breaks actions and other workflows)

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I don't know about the rest of you but since I updated Photoshop to the new CC 2017 my actions that I've either set up or purchased no longer work. This is a frustrating issue because this is how I primarily edit all my photos. I've purposely set up actions to help with my work flow and they do not work with this new update. Please fix this issue or point me in the right direction.
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Everett Fitch

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Eric Ching, Employee

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Hi Everett,

What happens when you run the actions? Do you get an error? If so could you post a screenshot of it? Is it all actions, or just some that don't work? If you have a smaller action that isn't working could attach here so I can try reproducing.

Also what operating system/version are you using?

Thanks,
Eric
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Everett Fitch

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The actions I'm trying to use were purchased from here (http://www.film-effect-photoshop.com/) and I've used them for a couple years now with no problem until this most recent update. There is not an error message that pops up or anything. I simply click the action and it runs. All the layers show up on the side correctly but no actual changes are made to the photo. Even if I go through and toggle visibility on specific layers, no changes are made.

I am running Photoshop CC 2017 on a Mac with the most up-to-date operating system (macOS Sierra Version 10.12.1).

If you send me your email I can send you a photoshop action.
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Eric Ching, Employee

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The problem is with steps that select groups. They are recorded with “Without Make Visible” but this appears to be ignored on playback so the groups are expanded for those steps. This usually isn’t a problem, but if you create a new layer/adjustment layer while the group is selected (and by virtue of this bug the group will also be expanded) the new layer gets enclosed as a child in the group rather than above the group, which is what happens when the group is collapsed. The result is added layers are not in the correct z-order in the layer stack and the end result of the action is not correct.

The workaround is to add a "Collapse All Groups" (in layers panel options menu) step after any step that selects a group where subsequent steps then add layers/adjustment layers while that group is selected.
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Cristen Gillespie

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Um, I've been watching some Seven Styles videos and those actions are monsters. I'm about to throw some money at them, but from what you say, they could easily be victims of this. This bug says "Acknowledged." I trust that means "To Fix pronto"?
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Select Backward command opens Groups and breaks actions..

I recently updated to the 2017.0.0 release of Photoshop CC. I have created actions and panels for Photoshop which use the Select Backward command, so that they aren't layer/group name specific. This ensures that the action or panel script can be run multiple times without breaking because it's not looking for a specific name for a group or layer.

Well, using the Select Backward command on a group, now expands those groups before selecting the next visible object below. I've got 3 groups I want selected and then placed in a master group. However, now the Select Backward command opens the first group, expands the second group as it selects it, then selects the first layer inside of the second group, instead of simply selecting the 3 collapsed groups. The result is that the top 2 groups are put into the master group as expanded groups, and the last group is left collapsed outside of the master group.

This behavior has not existed in any other version of Photoshop and I'm wondering why it's happening now. I need these panels to work and they are not.
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Florian Bielsky

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Photoshop 2017 unexpected behavior while navigatinf through layer via tab.

Steps:
1) Dokument with many groups
2) Renaming first group in the row via Double Click
3) Hit Tab to jump to next group to rename the next group directly

Expected result:
Jumping through all groups in the row to rename them

Actual result:
Jumping to the next group and opens it and then jumping through all nested groups and layers of current group in the row.
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Now I need to Double Click each group or layer in a row to rename. Its super annoying.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Masked groups expand automatically.

This problem happens since the 2017 update.

If I create a group (folder) with a couple of layers in it and mask the group, it expands whenever I click on the mask.

This is really annoying. Does anyone have a solution how I can turn that "feature" off?
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Chung Hu

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count me in as someone who is extremely frustrated with this bug. 
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Hollie Tanner

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Ps 2017: Tab function on layer groups - possible bug?.

I often need to create many duplicates of a group, then rename them. Pre-2017 this meant simply clicking on the top group (with all groups closed) then type in the name, hit tab (which takes me to the next name) and repeat to the bottom of my list. This no longer works. Now with 2017 when I rename that first group and hit tab, the tab takes me to the next group but then expands after group after it. Which means I have to tab through a dozen nested layers to get to the next group that needs to be renamed. These layer groups should not be expanding unless i click on the ">". 
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Creative Catalyst

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Yep. Huge issue with this behavior. Thanks for the input on yet another way it is affecting users. The more people who chime in, the better.
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Cristen Gillespie

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I can confirm on my Macs. I always name my groups as I create them—I start to get lazy or distracted otherwise— so I've never used your method before. I don't see how you could keep using that method with this response.
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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Ps 2017: Tab function on layer groups - possible bug?.

First I already posted this (it even auto-filled my title!)  and now the post is gone. So here it is again... 

Pre-2017, when editing the name of a layer group, the TAB key would take you to the next visible layer. 
Now in 2017, the TAB key takes you to the next layer for the first instance, but then every TAB after takes you to the next layer and if it is a group OPENS that group. 

What this means is if you have a group that contains 10 nested layers. And you duplicate the close group a dozen times. You can no longer rename-tab-rename-tab-rename-tab-rename. 
What happens now its Rename-Tab-Rename-TabOPEN(tab through x20 more layers). 

this must be a bug?
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Nore Quintanilla

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Group Tab automatically expands.

Hey everyone,

 quick
question, I've searched through forums and google for this answer but I
cant seem to find a solution, which Im sure its probably a simple fix.

 Whenever
I select an element that is located within a group folder, the group folder expands which is a bit of pain because I tend to have various groups that might make up a single element. This becomes especially annoying when I select multiple elements which are located in various groups because my groups expand in the layers panel, cluttering up all the organization I have.


The only reason why its something Im searching a solution for, is
because prior to updating to cc,  my groups would not automatically expand if an element was selected in the working area.


I would appreciate it, if anyone could find a solution to this,

Thanks guys!

Cheers
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Chung Hu

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yeah, it's a very frustrating bug introduced in Photoshop CC 2017. Anytime you click a group layer, navigate to a group using keyboard shortcuts, or eve selecting the Group Mask will cause a closed layer group to expand. This is causing a lot of problems for my actions and 3rd party panels too. 

There are no solutions for this problem, read the official response in this thread for a (poor) temporary workaround. The workaround might fix some problems in an automated action, but it won't fix issues caused by interacting with the group.
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jesse schifano

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This is also a big annoyance for me. I have many nested groups of layers. When I try to traverse the layers and layer groups in the Layer panel with option+[ or option+] it automatically opens the groups as I go past them. Huge time waster and adds several hundred unnecessary clicks to close the layers groups each day. Please fix. (Also while you are at it, please stop automatically expanding the comp layers in After Effects too!) 
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Chung Hu

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Is there an ETA as to when this will be fixed? This bug is a huge time waster!
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Nore Quintanilla

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Having some frustrating issues with the groups. Another bug I noticed is that if you are selecting items and you happen to select a group (selecting it in the working area, not layers panel) and you either create a new layer or click to add text, it automatically puts that layer into the group. Previously, the new layer would be created above the group, giving you the option to either keep that layer as is or place into the group but at least the option was yours.

I really hope the issues with the groups get fixed soon. Its almost pointless creating them when they auto - expand, creating clutter when they weren't meant to help organized your layers.
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Chung Hu

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This is my main source of frustration as well. Not only does it break actions and 3rd party panels that I've bought from adobe.com, it also dramatically slows down my workflow. Instead of being able to add a new adjustment layer on top of a layer group with a keyboard shortcut, now I'm forced to stop what I'm doing, grab the mouse, click the tiny ">" symbol next to the group folder to collapse the group before I can proceed in my retouching. 
It is incredibly frustrating.
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Official Response
The issues with expanding groups should be addressed with today's CC 2017.0.1 update: http://blogs.adobe.com/photoshop/2016/12/photoshop-now-supports-touch-bar-on-the-new-macbook-pro.htm...
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okay I am not sure what that article  has to do with the photoshop folders automatically opening all the time then the designer having to go close them all. I am not buying a new computer to fix the problem. I want an option on our layers palette that lets us control the group folders opening automatically. We would like to turn this off. Please fix this, it has been a problem for a long time. It wastes time and is annoying for anyone who uses multiple layers to design. PLEASE FIX. 
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Ben Rodda

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I just want to say thank you very much for fixing this issue!!! I am so happy and proud of Adobe for listening to us and taking care of us as professional users!
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Nore Quintanilla

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WOW....

I'm so happy with the bug fixes, especially this one regarding the group layers. Im finding it exceedingly rare for companies to actually listen and fix issues with products now a days but I really have to give it up to Adobe on this matter.

Thank you Adobe!
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Chung Hu

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This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled Bug: Layer group opens unexpectedly.

I've come across an issue in Photoshop 2017. If you have a group in the layers panel and it is closed like how it is in the screenshot below, it will open if you click anywhere in the red box, or if you move to the group using keyboard shortcuts. 

The group should remain closed unless I click the ">" symbol. This new behavior is very annoying. Groups should stay closed unless I explicitly open it. Using the screenshot below as an example, if I now move to "Groups 2" either with a mouse click or keyboard shortcut, it will expand, and if I then add a new adjustment layer, it will go into "Group 2". The expected behavior should be that "Group 2" remains closed, the new adjustment layer goes on top of "Group 2". 

This strange behavior was not in photoshop 2015.