Photoshop 19.1.2: Wrong text size when using Character Style feature

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When I want to redefine the character style with a text I've just edited, it records the wrong font size.

I've created a video of the problem:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA5yo7vlyXU

You can clearly see the discrepancy between the actual font size and the one being redefine as the character style.
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Daniel

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Jaroslav Bereza

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I noticed also some weird behavior:
https://feedback.photoshop.com/photoshop_family/topics/character-styles-works-really-weird

Is this same bug?

Anyway, Character Styles are messed-up. Almost nobody uses them in Photoshop because it is unpredictable.
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Hi Jaroslav
The bug is somewhat similar to the one shown in your second video.
Apparently, no one on the Photoshop team ever took care of it - so this bug is still haunting us.
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Yes Character styles and Paragraph styles are so bad that I rather create my own scripts for changing fonts. But it doesn't solve colors and other text properties.






They are for free available here: http://bereza.cz/ps/
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I'm unable to edit the original post for some reason, so here's the video showing the problem:

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Howdy Daniel,

If you ever transform a type layer (use CTRL/CMD+T to resize the font), then the font size is no longer correct for calculating type styles.  It doesn't include the transformation, in part cuz while yours might be proportional, others might not be.  Try this with untransformed layers and you'll see it works.

How do you remove a transformation from a type layer?  Use that layer to create a CC Library style and re-apply that Library style to your text.  Transformation gone.

Hope that helps,
David
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Hi David

Your solution works! 

But I have to admit, it's quite cumbersome to reset a text transform this way, and feels like a non-intuitive workaround.

Why not add a "Reset Transform" button to the transform panel / contextual top area?
Another concern - if there's a non-destructive transformation applied to a text element, how come when I do a CTRL+T - I don't see it in the transformation attributes in the contextual top area? Why hide it like that? So that's another suggestion - if there's a hidden transformation applied to a text element - please let us be aware of it - and easily see it's attributes.

Cheers
Daniel
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Howdy Daniel,

Whoooa.  That is quite a can of worms you're mentioning there...8-S

The short version of the story is that we have a feature request in to "Remove Transform" in the future, but it's actually a lot more complicated in the general case, hence why we haven't done it yet.  Further, we have another feature request in to "Display Transform" so that users know when one has been applied.

For many workflows, transformations are just part of the process, so we've tried to minimize their impact.  That comes from the dawn of PS history and is the source of some of this obfuscation.  Moving forward, however, we're trying to improve this process.  Indeed, the whole CC Library work-around was my idea, to serve as a stop-gap until we could do that other work.

Hope that helps,
David
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Heya David

Thank you for the transparency regarding all of the considerations on your end.
I think that since the introduction of smart objects (and the ability to set their layer comps externally), applying non-destructive transformations to SO instances have become an extremely powerful tool for us UI designers.
Since text objects can also have non-destructive transformations applied to them (and that only makes sense - since live texts are vector based), then I think it's definitely a good time to update the way Photoshop is dealing with transformations to make the workflow as much as easy and intuitive for us.
I guess these concerns are less relevant to photographers, but especially since PS has such a fierce fight with other UI design tools nowadays, we'd definitely be happy seeing stronger tools for a smooth workflow.
Thank you for considering the above :)
Daniel
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Howdy Daniel,

Of course I can't promise anything, but I am taking your feedback back to the team for consideration as we work on Transform's behaviors.  Look for some other (hopefully very helpful) changes in the future...

Thanks,
David