Lightroom: Photos filtered by keyword and edited with external editor disappear from Grid

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In Lightroom 3.4.1 I tried the following:

1) filter catalog by a keyword
2) choose a photo in a stack and edit with an external editor (in this case VIveza 2)
3) after returning from the editing, the new photo does not appear on the filtered group of photos. the stack indicates that there is another photo but you can't see it - if there were originally 2 photos and you added the edited one you will just see 2 photos called "1 of 3" and "3 of 3" (or something similar - the key is that one of the group is referenced but not visible).

I found the following fix on the internet:

1) go into the actual folder where the photos reside, choose the new photo, remove and then re-add the keyword you used to filter
2) go back to the original view filtered by keyword and the photo now appears

This fix was from February 2011 so the problem has existed through a few versions.

This isn't a fatal bug but it can be really annoying if you work with groups of photos filtered by keyword and external editors. The same problem appears to happen with other external editors (like photoshop) so it isn't just a Nik Software plugin issue.
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It sounds like your external editor is not keeping the keyword on your file, or is adding it in a such a way that Lightroom cannot read or otherwise recognize it. This exact same workflow works fine when going from Lightroom to Photoshop and back.

How are you removing and re-adding the keyword?
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I've done some more troubleshooting and it appears to make a difference if I am in the full collection or if I am in a keyword search/filter when I exit to edit in PS. I'm not sure why this would make a difference.
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OK, I think I know what I need to do to avoid the situation.

1. If I am viewing a full collection (one that has subset collections) and select a photo at that top level to edit in PS, the edited image does NOT automatically get placed in the subset collection of the original and doesn't even get put in the collection at all (but it DOES get the right keywords). This is why it does not show up in the keyword search of the expected collection (the collection the original image resides in). In other words, the edited photo is not part of ANY collection (you have to go to the folder where it physically resides and add it to the collection).

2. If I am viewing a specific subset of a collection set and choose a photo to edit in PS, then the edited version gets the same keywords, same stars, and same collection location.

3. If I view a specific search of a keyword in a collection subset (say, all "seastars" in a particular subset), and edit a photo in PS, the edited photo gets the stars, keywords, and same subset location as the original.

So, the issue is not keyword assignment or hierarchy. The issue is what is highlighted in the left tool bar when you select a photo and edit in PS.
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"If I am viewing a full collection (one that has subset collections) and select a photo at that top level to edit in PS, the edited image does NOT automatically get placed in the subset collection of the original and doesn't even get put in the collection at all "

(LR's terms are "collection" and "collection set".) This behavior has tripped up others too, though I can't find their posts at the moment. When you edit a photo while viewing a collection set, the edited version doesn't get placed in any collection that is contained within the collection set.

If you think it should, you should file a new feature request in this forum. Your feature request should raise the issue of what to do if the photo being edited resides in more than one collection contained in the collection set being viewed.
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I think what messed me up was when I was highlighting more than one collection set to search for a keyword across collections. Once I found a photo I wanted and then edited it in PS, I assumed I would find the edited version in the same collection as the original. Obviously, this is not the case. The edited version is not placed in any collection at all and is actually not so easy to find. I would definitely like this feature and your suggestion to submit a request is a good one. Thanks!
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I definitely remember another thread from someone getting tripped up in exactly the same way. But it must have been in another forum. It is definitely confusing when it happens.
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There are problem with recent Nik products and hierarchical keywords - see the main u2u and http://www.nikforums.com/showthread.p...
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Thanks for the replies.

To Brett N - to remove and re-add the keyword I use the keyword pane in LR
To John - I read the support info on the Nik site. I don't use hierarchical keywords but it sounds like the issues can happen with standard keywords also. The support documents reference Silver Effects Pro 2 and HDR Effects Pro but not other products. I am not sure if this is a widespread issue. One person noted that the old version of Silver Effects didn't have the problem though and that's what I have.

To both - After much experimentation I am convinced it is at least partly if not completely an LR issue. If I do the process I listed above to generated an edited picture that belongs in a stack with the original I cannot see it if I filter by keyword using the keyword pane on the right side of the screen in LR. I can however see the picture if I do a search on the keywords using the library filter function at the top center of the screen in LR. I can also see the picture if I quit LR and restart it without doing anything at all to the picture and its keywords.

If the issue were the manner in which the plug-in placed the keywords on the picture I would think that I wouldn't be able to find the picture in any manner and also that restarting LR wouldn't fix the problem.

Note that in these examples, no data was written to the files, it was just the keywords as they exist in the LR database.
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It sounds like you are saying that refreshing the keyword search will make the file appear. When you click the arrow next to a keyword in the right-hand panel, all this does is activate the overhead panel, it's a shortcut. So that makes me wonder: if you simply click the arrow next to the keyword again, will that make the image appear correctly?
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Problem with keyword filtering while in library and develop modules using Lightroom 3. From the develop module, when I edit in Photoshop Elements 9 and then save the file from PSE, the new edited image does not appear in the library module. I am viewing images using keyword filtering when I go to PSE. If I select a different keyword than the one I was using for filtering (the images have multiple keywords), then it appears in the library view. If I change back to filtering on the original keyword I had been using when editing in PSE, the image disappears again. If I remove that keyword from the PSE edited image and then add the keyword back to the image, it appears in the library view and all is well. After editing in PSE, if I close lightroom and reopen it, that also solves the problem (the image appears in the library view). When saving the file in PSE I do not change the filename or the file location. This seems like a Lightroom bug to me.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom/Photoshop Elements: Image disappears in Lightroom 3 after Editing in PSE 9.
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From Lightroom 4, when photos are editted in CS5.5 to create Panorama or HDR and saved, they do not show up in the grid until Ligthroom is restarted.

Steps to recreate:

1. View files using keyword filter
2. Select photos to use in Panorama or HDR image
3. Right-click on a selected image
4. Selecte Edit In and choose appropriate menu item
5. Perform PS magic
6. Save file
7. Return to LR grid

The file does get saved in the same directory as the selected file. It does get tagged with the appropriate keyword. The file cannot be found in the grid. The file cannot be imported as it shows that is in the catalog. The file is not visible in the grid until LR 4 is closed and re-opened.

This problem was never experienced with LR 3.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom: Saving files from Photoshop CS5 do not appear in LR grid.
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This bug has several variations and have been here for a few versions. I guess it was reported, but I cannot find it, so here is what I am seeing:

Let's say you have keyword "aaa", add it to some PSD file, then click on grey arrow in keyword list to see all photos with the "aaa" keyword. It should list this photo. The edit the photo in Photoshop and save it. The file now disappears from the grid view which should list all photos with our keyword! You can switch to the given folder and see that the file is still in catalog and with the correct keyword, but it won't be shown when listing all photos with the keyword. This gets fixed only if you restart Lightroom.

This is fairly annoying if you, for example, try to list all photos with a keyword "ToEdit" and edit them etc. I've run into this bug many times in the past years.

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom: After editing photo in external app the photo is not shown when filtering by keyword.
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I have some files in LIghtroom with keywords. I edit them in Photoshop, then save as TIFFs and return to Lightroom. At this point Lightroom is confused about one of the keywords in the files. (All the other keywords act as they should).

For this keyword, if I filter on Metadata, and select the keyword, then the newly edited files are selected if the keyword column is for Hierarchical View, but not if it is set for Flat view.

Interestingly, the count of keywords is correct (the count includes the newly added TIFFs), but they don't show, when I apply a keyword filter.

To be clear (redundant), let me say that there are 3 CR2 files with this keyword. I edit all in Photoshop, and save as TIFFs. Now Lightroom says that there are 6 files with this keyword (the three CR2, and 3 TIFF). If I look at the Keyword list panel, it shows "6" after the keyword. If I look at the Keyword panel in the Metadata Filter Panel, it shows "6" after the keyword. However, if I set the Keyword column in the Metadata Filter panel to "Flat" and select the photos with that keyword (either by clicking on the arrow after the keyword in the Keyword List panel, or selecting the keyword in the Keyword column), then only THREE images (the CR2s) are shown. If I set the keyword column to show Hierarchically, then all 6 show.

If I remove the keyword from the three TIFFs and then add it again, it fixes the problem. Synchronizing the folder with the TIFFs does not fix the problem. Nor does optimizing the database.

I suspect that this has something to do with the hierarchy of keywords that I am using. I have found other infelicities (issues, but I can't call them bugs) with non-exported keywords in the keyword hierarchy, and perhaps they are showing up here too.

I can supply an example, but have not tried to replicate this with a new, virgin database.

In this image, you can see that my Quick Collection has 6 images (three CR2s and three TIFFs), the keyword column shows that all six have the keyword "Lepidium sp.", but selecting the keyword only displays three of the images (the CR2s).



As I said, this bug only occurs for some of my keywords, and I haven't tried to track down why those keywords are different than the ones that work correctly.

Contact me if you want more info. Lightroom 4.1, Photoshop 13.0

This reply was created from a merged topic originally titled
Lightroom: Keyword not being recognized properly after edit and save in photoshop.
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Dorin Nicolaescu-Musteață merged my report into this thread, and it appears that I am seeing symptoms of the same bug as others (thank you, Dorin). Just to summarize, there are (up to) 4 possible work-arounds for this bug

• quit Lightroom and relaunch it
• remove and reapply the offending keywords
• remove and reimport the offending photos
• (for me, perhaps uniquely) make the keyword panel in the Metadata filter panel "hierarchical view"